stone age Footprints:earliest Evidence of Humans in North America

lol, this stuff is insulting to god. Science is our way of understanding gods creation. By denying science, you deny what god actually did, instead of a story humans made up before they were advanced enough to truly understand the incredible world god put into motion. The true story, the story that science tells us (which means it is the story god tells us) is far more amazing than the simple stories these guys made up.

 

Not to mention nothing bettered or learned within us.

 

Hahahahaha!!! You brought it up. You opened the door for my answer. You have no response so you pivot to "Oh, this is the science forum attacking religion." So, you can't talk about religion.

 

This is actually exactly what Lucifer wanted. Lucifer had a different plan from the Father. He wanted to control everyone as they came to the earth not allowing for anyone to do wrong and sin. Because of this, everyone would come back and no one would be lost. Of course, this flies in the face of the single most important doctrine of the Father's plan. And, that is that each of us would always have "Free Moral Agency" to choose for ourselves good and evil. And, that for choosing to break a commandment or law would have a punishment aligned with the breaking of the commandment or law. In your world of belief, we all can just go around stealing, coveting, lying, cheating, killing, act in immoral behavior and it's all okay. We will go back to be a cell of our Heavenly Father trapped in His body never to grow from that point on. Never truly independent and with no moral agency. What then is the point of being sent to this Earth? Absolutely nothing! The experiences have no meaning. Oh, it seems like a utopian life of freedom. But, no, not at all. Satan has complete control over us if this is the case. We have no agency, free will or free moral agency to choose for ourselves good or evil. And, there is no future with eternal increase and joy. What a sad place this utopian world of yours is.

 

The ICR excels at dishing up crap.

 

Yeah you really show your unbelief and disdain for God by not capitalizing the "G". Perhaps Science is your god.

 

Yet, you cannot refute the conclusions. All you can do is be nasty. That's what I call a load of crap.

 

Science is a good thing. But, it can be used to destroy faith and belief in God by placing it above God. I know people who say they believe in God but the written words of God have to jell with science or they are not true. What's very strange is that "science believers" lack the differences between operational science and historical science.

 

Lol,

Lol, no, you cannot just go around killing and stealing. It is each soul’s goal to return to god, as it is a part of god, and god is perfect love. It is impossible for the soul to accomplish this if it itself has not returned to a state of perfect love. In earlier incarnations in the 3rd density, we know only of our human ego. The human ego acts in evil ways, but this invariably brings suffering, a sign from our higher selves that we are on the wrong path. It takes many incarnations before we become aware of our higher selves and learn to communicate with it better. Before each incarnation, our souls agree to learn certain lessons in that lifetime. It takes many lifetimes before our souls are ready to progress to the 4th density. Souls can actually progress to 6th density in a negative polarity, but are unable to progress past that. After the 8th density, the soul is returned to the source, to god.
Humans are 3rd density. At some point in our 4th density we no longer have a human form, but become light, pure energy.

anyways, if you want to learn more of densities etc, read the Law of one. You saying we can do whatever we want is false.

 

I know of people who believe they were once Joan of Arc. But, reality, no they weren't. I don't have any recollection of any former life on earth in a different body than the one I have now. So, how would I be able to become better and progress? Now, did I exist before being conceived on earth by my earthly parents? Yes. I lived with my Heavenly parents and brothers and sisters. Did I exist prior to this pre-earth life as a spirit child with a spirit body of finer material than our earthly bodies? yes. As intelligences. Some people call this "energy." However, we had thought and reality. But, we could not progress beyond this. So, our Heavenly parents had children and our intelligences were placed in these spirit bodies. We learned and progressed to a point. But, we could not become like our Heavenly parents without what they had, a physical resurrected perfect body. But, as they had to do, we have to have enough faith in the Godhead to be resurrected to the same Celestial bodies that our Heavenly parents have. We were told of this Plan of Salvation and Eternal life while in Heaven. 2/3rds of us agreed to come and do the best we can with what we are given. 1/3rd refused and were led by Lucifer and were banished from heaven, thrusted down to earth without earthly bodies to give us opposition so that we can learn good from evil. At death, we are separated from our physical bodies and our spiritual bodies with our intelligence returns to a resting station called spirit prison. We either go to Paradise or Hell and await our judgement day. For those who didn't have the opportunity to learn true doctrine and baptized into Jesus Christ's true church, but would have if given the opportunity, will be taught the true Gospel of Jesus Christ by those in Paradise who go to Hell to teach and bring souls out of Hell to Paradise. At the Judgement Day, all people in both houses of spirit prison will receive their bodies back in one of 3 glories and one of non-glory. Celestial Glory, Terrestrial Glory and Telestial Glory and Perdition. Perdition is where only those who deny the Holy Ghost even at the judgement seat in the presence of the Holy Ghost will reside for eternity or forever. Celestial Glory or the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven is where we should want to obtain. That is where we will be able to increase in joy and in our posterity. We can become kings and queens, gods and goddesses of our own universe. Our Father in Heaven will remain our God as well. Our heaven will be a part of His heaven. We will not become equal or greater than Him. We will simply increase his joy in posterity by giving Him lots of grandchildren. This is the truth. There is no reincarnation. We get one chance at life.

 

Patently false...per usual.

 

You show your disdain for God (there, capitalized) by insulting the wonderful universe has created. He has given us the tools to explore and understand this beautiful creation, but you spit on his gift and instead would rather believe some story that a human made up.

 

Our memory is restored to us between incarnations. We then decide how much wisdom will be revealed in our next incarnation to make the most of what we have learned thus far. If we remembered everything, the lessons to be learned would be lost.

Well, I like my story more than yours, so I'll stick to it. Yours sounds utterly dull, like being stuck in church for eternity. Not to mention, the god in your story sounds very limited in power, and sure as hell doesn't sound loving. More like a control freak, like a negatively polarized entity. Similar to the ones responsible for corrupting the bible. You really think god, who is nothing but love, would ever create some sort of hell where he banishes souls forever? What is the purpose of that? Because they wouldn't bow down in front of him like some sort of serf or slave? Sounds like you worship a tyrant, not a loving god. "Worship me or else!". Lol. No thanks.

 

Providing nothing but innuendos is not proof. It's laziness.

 

Doesn't matter whether you agree or not. You have no sayso. The Plan of Salvation is set.
Your plan is stupid. There is no purpose other than saying it's okay to kill, steal, covet, rape and do all manner of sin because hey, you get to come back and do it all over again as many of times as you want to. No consequences so just be the worst person you can be. Hitler gets to come back over and over. By the way, what is the time period you have to wait before coming back? Do you come back as a human or a bug? Nonsense.

God is a God of order and prayer. Yes, he loves each of us. But, he rejects sin and cannot be in the presence of sinful persons. He's a glorified human being as well. Not some blob with parts of him missing. Good grief! I'll take boring over stupid any day. Again, I don't remember a thing from any past life. Not one things. Neither do you.

 

Projection fallacy.
Intellectual laziness might be the most charitable explanation for phony creationist dogma.

 

First, it's not phony. It does shoot down the idea that the earth is 5 billion years old. It proves Genesis true and thus the Bible true. That's something atheists cannot let happen so they try the liberal democrat party technique of "shaming." That's what Critical Race Theory is all about. But, conservative believes won't be intimidated by "shaming" techniques. Instead, we require proof. Nothing you have provided disproves the creationist's theories.

 

I'd prefer the Bible to something you made up!

 

What is the PENALTY for YOU for VIOLATING your COMMANDMENT to NOT bear FALSE WITNESS?

You should look that one up because that is EXACTLY what YOU just did.

Sad!

 

Then PROVIDE the EXACT quote!

 

Uh huh. He loves each of us soooo much he’ll throw us into a burning lake of fire for eternity. What a bunch of bull. Have fun with your story. I’ll keep mine, thanks.

 

Real science begins with a question and looks for the answer wherever it may be found. It isn't about dogma; it's about open inquiry. Creation science is an oxymoron. It only uses whatever evidence it can find (even if the evidence doesn't actually support it) and ignores or excuses conflicting evidence. Real science doesn't make excuses for evidence.

Despite their master's and doctoral degrees in the sciences those at ICR play fast and loose with the facts of geology and biology. They continue to promote errors refuted years ago.Those who take the time to reply to creationist attacks on science find themselves slaying the slain a thousand times over.

 

No, it does not. It only gives a timeline of when a group broke away. It does not give a record of where they traveled, and how long they were isolated from the originating host group. They may have made a bee-line straight to the Americas. They may have spent thousands of years wandering in Eastern Asia. This is something we do know, and the date of breaking away is not the same as the date of their migrating to North America.

All that proves is that they were a branch off of another group, and when they broke off. Do not confuse that date with the date of their arrival. It is not all that much different

Classic example, the first people to reach Japan arrived around 30-40kya. However, that is not the group we know of as "Japanese", that is actually an even later group, from around 15kya. And interestingly enough, it also shows they came from very different areas. One being from a group in Siberia, another from Korea. But genetics do not tell the entire story, only show where a group came from, and by looking at drift how many generations removed it was from the main body.

 

I didn't bear any false witness. You brought it up. Weird reply...