Stop deluding yourself, you weren't even an average President.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...obama-american-democracy-trump-speech/569605/

    You and your party were given a Supermajority. A SUPERMAJORITY. What did you do with it? Did you review the Patriot Act, as you said you were going to do? Did you pressure the big banks and get money out of politics, like you said you were going to do? Did you end the wars, like you said you were going to do?

    Nope to any of that. You bailed them out, you renewed the Patriot Act even before becoming President. Your actions against lobbying were half-assed at best(and certainly in comparison to Trump's.). And Libya is the greatest mistake of your presidency. Your words, not mine.

    And with that Super Majority, what you did do, was you enforced a law on the people that they never asked for, and they never consented to. It was a political mistake so novice, that it's costing you today in the form of POTUS Trump and the 'Republican' Congress.

    Yes people want health care, people want affordable health care and it'd be nice if we weren't cut off the market from preexisting conditions. But if the price to pay is our financial freedom, that is a price too big to pay in America.

    And anyone who knows the history of our country, knows taxation without representation should have known that the political reaction would result in the tea party.

    In reality, Mr. Obama, even without the monkey signs and the more extremist theories surrounding you and your eight years, you would have lost Congress just based on that one act. An act that consistently polled negatively.

    In more truth, social activism was the lynchpin of your political life and it continued into your Presidency. You lament the state of affairs today, but it is your activism that is largely if not entirely responsible for it.

    "If I had a son", or "he acted stupidly" and yes Mr. Obama, your party's perceived and known weakness on immigration and terrorism and NATL Security in general, all play a role.

    But let's address the elephant in the room: That the modern Democratic Party isn't racist. Not only is it racist, it is notoriously racist. How often do we hear "College-educated Whites" and by contrast of course, we heard all about how "non-educated Whites" voted for Trump.

    Implying that only 'Whites' would vote for Trump, and at that they were non-educated hillbillies. It also implied said hillbillies didn't have a right to vote, and so it's laughable to hear this party or this media, this 'modern America' even begin to make the argument for voting rights. Or that they're not the ones suppressing voting rights.

    But let's not shortchange it. "Women's issues", "LBGT", etc. How can the party that has divided us among race, class and sex even portray that it wants to defend a multicultural America under one flag?

    So you see, your activism is largely reserved to you and card-carrying members of your party. You can feel free to believe in the fiction that you fought for that which you never fought. Achieved what your party never achieved. But Independents and conservatives simply do not believe it. We don't, because we hear and experience everyday the opposite.

    The Democrats are the new whigs, and I'm happy we're divorced.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was born in 1962.

    Obama was the worst president of my lifetime, beating out Nixon and Carter.
     
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  3. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Born in 92, he gave George.W. Bush a run for his money(hey, I was a Liberal and in many ways still support the idea of a social safety net. Has to be totally restructured so that people bounce off the net instead of trapped/dependent on it though.)
     
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    Going purely by the numbers -

    The violent crime rate was lower under Obama than Reagan, Clinton or Bush.
    Unemployment dropped 4.8%.
    Home prices rose 20%
    The S&P 500 went up 166%
    Corporate profits rose 57%
    Median Household income rose 5.3%
    Trade deficit down 29%

    Just by the economic numbers, Obama was a slightly better than average President.

    The fact that you "feel" he wasn't an average President is just your opinion, and opinions are like ...
     
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  5. Moonglow

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    I did like Oblama's marijuana policy and the ending of the violation of the 4th Amendment at the federal level..Unlike Sessions and Trump that like to violate citizen's rights..
     
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    Citizens rights? Oh, so you are a 2nd Amendment supporter and are against ALL the unconstitutional gun laws, right?
     
  7. Daniel Light

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    Did you know that the ONLY two gun laws Obama signed in office EXPANDED gun rights? Not one law restricting gun rights. So Obama had a better 2nd amendment score than Reagan.
     
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  8. AmericanNationalist

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    Unemployment dropped 4.8%.
    From as high as it was, not too bad but not too great either. Especially considering most of his gains were towards the latter end of his Presidency.

    Home prices rose 20%
    So Homes became more expensive under Obama and that's supposed to be....a good thing?

    The S&P 500 went up 166%
    Corporate profits rose 57%

    Yeah, Mr. Hope and Change President didn't really give us a change from the Plutocracy meanwhile criticizing small businesses as "You didn't build that."


    Median Household income rose 5.3%

    And that is better than the 3.7 reported in 2017, so yeah I'll give credit. Well done.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Educate yourself, quoting single lines out of context make you look like a complete partisan hack.

     
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    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Except it's not out of context. All he does is give 'context' by rambling on the same premise. And that premise is wrong. The roads were paved by individuals, who operated the machines. And the machines in turn were created by individuals with that specialty in mind. Also, it excludes the fact that every business that is taxed(and every individual taxed) collectively PAYS into it. So they did in fact help 'build it', if he wants to make the argument that businesses(or people period) benefit from public services like firefighters or police officers.

    Who they themselves are experts in their own fields, and their individual efforts make the organization work.

    Organizations are made of individuals, the individual talent is what makes up a good or a bad organization.(Working personalities are awesome as well, but frankly you can absorb an ******* or two to get the best team.)

    TLDR: Yes, millions of Americans have pitched in for our various social services. Most of them either did so willingly or by virtue of a career choice. The idea that there's some altruism for which we should be thankful, is a false notion.

    Again, to repeat: His idea is false. He can repeat it to himself a million times, and any left socialist can repeat it, but unless you ignore the will of the individual who could've chosen a different career(or no career at all) or could've chose to be insubordinate, etc. A million of things could've wrecked the social system.

    We, human beings determine our own fate, of our own free will. And yes, that includes a businessperson. If he benefits from the choices others make, that isn't a penalty on him or her.

    Sincerely, AmericanNationalist. Tolerant of anything but incorrect premises lol.
     
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    So, like I said, an average President. Hardly the "disaster" you try to paint. So let's just drop the ignorant hyperbole and stick to the facts.
     
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    If the POTUS wasn't singlehandedly responsible for the social climate we find ourselves in, I'd be inclined to agree. Also I guess he suffered from the hype around him. We thought he'd be this progressive populist, and in the end the only thing he really was was a tax-and-spend democrat who salvaged the system, but ultimately didn't make it better.

    And given the social calamity from his comments/BLM under his watch. Yeah, he's a failure.

    In the same breath that Franklin Delano Roosevelt is a failure. Can you imagine if we lost the war? He took more terms, he's the one who created our modern SCOTUS system that we all despise. If he lost the war, he'd singlehandedly be the worst POTUS ever.

    As it is, thankfully he won so he's just one of the worst instead of the worst.
     
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    Just one, not two.

    Allowing concealed carry in National parks, but the bill was an amendment to a much larger bill which Obama had no choice but to sign.

    Do you honestly believe that Obama would have signed that gun bill if it was a standalone bill and not amended to a much larger bill????? I think not.
     
  14. Daniel Light

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    He had the full congress for two years - he proposed and signed exactly zero gun restriction laws. Reagan signed more.
     
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    Socia calamity? Hell, that's a function of the internet - not a President. We have never had a platform where any moron could yell and scream and actually have an audience before. we saw the start of it under Bush and it grew under Obama and it's hit a new hight under Trump. It would have happened no matter who was in the White House. This rift is all about social media - so please, stop pointing fingers at anyone other than ourselves.
     
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    Because the Democrats were too busy ramming ObamaCare down our throats the first two years. Luckily they lost control of congress before they had a chance to go on to their next pet project which would have been gun control.
     
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    Carter will go to his grave thanking Obama.
     
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    Just because you don't agree with his ipinion, hardly makes it ignorant. Multitudes think he was a disaster.
     
  19. Brewskier

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    Obama was the culmination of the deconstruction of America which started about halfway through the 20th century. Globalist people who hate America and believe that it needs to be “fundamentally transformed” were natural Obama supporters.
     
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    And Trump is The deconstruction of America into a Kardashian reality show. Hell, Kim's spending more time in the Oval office than the Director of the FBI. It's a joke.
     
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    It absolutely is ignorant hyperbole - even he agreed Obama wasn't as bad as he was trying to paint him.
     
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    Johnson is hard to pass up over that time frame.
     
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    It appears your opinion of where the ignorance lies is faulty. Obama administration was a disaster. Corruption of State Dept, IRS, Homeland Security, Dept of Justice, Intelligence Community (FBI, CIA)...
     
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    Nah, Trump is a return to the values of America, which the pink haired homosexual feminist Marxist Afro-Hispanic “Americans” are obviously not on board with.
     
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    Let me clarify: If Bush was a disaster for the Iraq war, Obama is a disaster in that he inherited a Supermajority and the only thing they thought to do with it, was passing the ONE LAW that would revert it while not fulfilling Liberal promises.

    It's why all their #fightfor15 is shallow and hollow. We heard their dance before, gave them the power to do it and they failed.
     
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