Students on F-1, M-1 visas won't be able to remain in US if all their fall classes are online

I already had you there

Seriously why should anyone listed to the likes of you and the other poster when you have are insults, and act as if you know it all !!!!!

 

I am not the saying there is no middle ground, THEY ARE. I apologize for not communicating that better.

 

Fair enough.

 

100% online university courses are BS, and not sustainable. Students aren't going to tolerate it in the long run, and I'm guessing neither will prospective employers. Universities need to adapt to find a way to offer hybrid courses and also protect students and staff from COVID. It would be in their best interests to start by finding a way to accommodate international students asap as part of a pilot program.

 

WTF?
If they leave, the money is gone. An American kid isn’t going to spend more just because his classmate is staying in Austria.

 

Including rent?

 

Not every foreign student will be as frugal as you were. That’s not a criticism of you or them. Many will be spending more than 20k a year because they can. Because their parents have money.

I’m just surprised that so many trump supporters are so prepared to shrug their shoulders at billions of dollars leaving the economy.

So not “their loss”. This is about America’s loss.

 

I agree with you, except I think the Trump admin cannot be blamed if the universities don't take the actions themselves to avoid losing these students. Believe me, I am no Trump fan at all.

 

So it's a power given to the agencies by the legislation that created the agency. It is still a derived authority granted by the legislation. I suppose if we want to complain about that that we need to address the legislative authority so you won't get bent over an executive making what you feel are arbitrary decisions they have the ability to make based on the legislation.

 

I'm pretty sure he could take executive action to give them a waiver for a semester or a school year.

 

Without fanfare, Trump cuts Chinese nationals from American colleges.

 

He said he lived on campus....room and board is part of the cost.

 

If all I posted were insults, surely you can point to one? Just one?

 

I refuse to believe that... he'll have had 18+ years with his parents and only 7 years of college down the drain (ha ha)...

 

Yeah, but why would he? This is Trump we're talking about here.

As I said, it can't be that hard for universities to find a way to comply with the rule, and it's definitely in their long term financial interests to do so.

 

Why should students from foreign nations be given a higher level of consideration than students in the united states?

 

I agree with your sentiment.

Here's the thing with politically charged news, or better stated, news reported during politically charged seasons. We need to read the underlying document, rules applicable and laws involved.

In the past, where I've been around foreign students, visas didn't stipulate full time all the time classes. It was, if I remember correctly, x amount of work towards a degree per year? There were exceptions, accommodations and extensions. Graduate assistanceship, internship in ones field, self directed study.

Anyway, I wonder who this specifically effects.

Cheers

 

Who is doing that?

 

International students make up about 10% of the student body, but account for more than 25% of the tuition paid by students. In theory, that income goes to the benefit of the whole student body, one way or another.

 

Those who are complaining about how students from foreign nations cannot stay in the united states if their classes are made available online, demonstrating that they do not have to be in the united states in order to learn.

 

Not if the law in question is specific on online courses being exclusionary.

I'll bet it is. Thinking here on why that clause or clauses were inserted in a law regulating student visas. I ask myself, who does this help.

It helps traditional brick mortar and ivy schools.

Politics 100%.

 

You insult Democrats and Liberals on a daily basis.

 

The potential pool is all Foreign students in the USA, depending on what their particular college is planning in the fall.

SNIP
The US had more than one million international students doing various graduate and undergraduate programmes in 2018-19, according to the Institute of International Education (IIE). That's about 5.5% of the total student community in the country.

Out of these, nearly three-quarters were from Asia - 48% Chinese and 26% Indians.

The IIE says that, according to the US Department of Commerce, international students contributed $45bn (£36bn) to the country's economy.
ENDSNIP

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53320336

Assuming some of these colleges will offer some in-person classes, thus bypassing these rules, I would guess probably @ 250K could be impacted by this... But I also assume a lot of colleges haven't made those decisions yet either..

But to me, the numbers are not the key, it's the general concept.

If ALL schools in the USA said they were guaranteed to have no in-person classes for the entire 20-21 school year, I suppose a serviceable case could be made... But this just puts the pressure on the schools to provide the MINIMUM in-person classes to bypass these rules and protect their foreign student body.

 

So then we obviously aren't talking about them because they'd have no issue paying. Honestly I'd say Asians are far more frugal than your average American, why is partly they're by far the most successful minority in this country.

Eliminating all drugs in this country overnight would also cause billions of dollars to leave our economy.

Nah, it's theirs. Hopefully some American kid can take their spot. Someone who actually earned it and didn't get in based on quotas.

 

Since when telling truth is an insult?

Spare me.