Success in England!

England has run 4 weeks of "lockdown" that was administered according to local severity of Covid infection rates.

The result? A 30% reduction!!

Medcal science actually works!

Given our situation with hospital beds/workers, the fact that our economy isn't going to go anywhere when we're this infected, the more than 9 million airtrips surrounding Thanksgiving (surely spreading Covid even more thoroughly as experts predict) we should be acting, too.

We're so infected that we can't even do meaningful contact tracing anymore.in many places.

Refusing to take action IS n assault on America and the most profound insult possible to all those working to keep us healthy. We have healthcare staff told to keep working even though they are infected. We're telling our hospitals that we just really don't give a crap when we choose to ignore the clear and available steps to reduce this problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/uk/coronavirus-england-lockdown-uk-gbr-intl/index.html

 

Okay but only like 1 in 20 people in the CNN article's photo is actually wearing a mask and none of them seem to be social distancing.

 

Quite true.

There is every reason to believe that Americans could accomplish more than the effect of a lockdown by taking the medical advice that is coming from ALL corners of science based medicine. We could respect the importance of our hospitals and first responders. We could respect the health of each other.

But, we don't have that kid of respect for others anymore. The lives and wellbeing of others isn't worth even just wearing a mask!!!

Instead, we wait to be told and then ignore that - while whining that it's just tooo hard. ]

God forbid these whiners should show up in our military to defend us from other kinds of threats.

I hear that in the military, there are measures more significant that wearing a mask and not going home for the holidays. And, real Americans VOLUNTEER to work for our safety in that way. They volunteer to be doctors and nurses, to be first responders, etc.

I just don't know how to respect these whiners who think a mask in public is a bigger problem than our full hospitals and crashed economy and that volunteering to help America is for someone ELSE to do. Because a mask is just to big of a sacrifice!!

 

That’s fascinating. My state has no lockdown and has seen a 30% reduction in infections over the last couple weeks.

 

Great!

What do you your medical experts believe accounts for that?

 

Stalin would be very proud that a European country forced people to stay at home with the threat of legal action for leaving their house

 

I am in the military, I can answer all of the questions you have. Once the uniform comes off, the mask does too. I don't know many snowflake soldiers that actually wear a mask in public lol. There may be a few but I never see them on or off base.

 

I certainly respect your service.

Were you taught to whine about carrying a gun?

Were you taught to whine about wearing body armor?

 

Was I taught to "whine" about body armor (as a civilian would call it) or carrying a weapon system?

lol what? I'm too sober to answer this crazy question. I don't understand why one would believe that.

 

I don’t know of any medical experts being aware of it, let alone providing commentary on it.

Well, anyone who pays much attention to bar graphed data on sites like Worldometer ought to be aware of the homogeneity of the shapes of infection “waves”. Look at states, countries, counties—whatever, and you see 6-8 week distribution of rising infections, peaks, and pretty rapid decreases. You see the same thing in graphical data regardless of the mitigations in place. Just like the example of my state and the UK. Interestingly enough, I just ran the numbers on South Dakota, and they have experienced an almost 30% decrease in infections over this period as well. They have less mitigation in place than most anywhere in the world.

This phenomenon has been observed in influenza pandemics as well. It isn’t well understood but there are some interesting theories. Personally, I think we see upward trends, peaks, and downward trends because the demographics seeing the increased infections run out of warm, uninflected bodies—a bit of herd immunity almost for lack of better term. For example, the first wave in New York was driven by a handful of NYC boroughs. There were (comparatively) very few infections upstate. At some point the R-naught in those boroughs dropped below 1 and new infections decreased. Second or subsequent waves are in a different demographics or different geographical locations.

We see the same thing everywhere. In my county the initial spring wave was almost exclusively tied to one meat packing plant. Now there are few cases associated with that business, but with school in session, different demographics are seeing higher rates of infection.

One very interesting theory on second waves of pandemics is the coinfection theory. For example, in influenza waves it’s thought new waves may be driven by coinfections with a rhinovirus or adenovirus. I haven’t looked hard for data on coinfection with SARS-COV-2 to see if they exist uniformly or even if anyone has thought to study it.

 

Thanks for your input. I was curious if any active duty would respond. I have one good friend who’s active duty and he pretty much echos your thoughts. I know loads of veterans from Korea to recent retirees and all would mystified by being called whiners...

 

When you're in the military, the last thing you're worried about is a virus with a VERY low mortality rate. You're more worried about pulling security or handling a patrol in a hot zone.

 

"Jodi Doering, an emergency room nurse in South Dakota, was overwhelmed Saturday night. Her patients were dying of covid-19, yet were still in denial about the pandemic’s existence.

“I think the hardest thing to watch is that people are still looking for something else and a magic answer and they do not want to believe covid is real,” Doering told CNN in an interview Monday.

“Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real,’”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/16/south-dakota-nurse-coronavirus-deniers/

It's real enough.

South Dakota is in the Red Zone, because the disease is spreading fast.
https://covidactnow.org/us/south_dakota-sd?s=1380364

 

When I see these third person quotes in media claiming someone said this or that it makes me think of this nurse. You can’t believe everything you see on the internet just because it fits your need for bias confirmation.
If you figure the ridiculousness of this nurse’s claim out you will be the first...good luck!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...iment-shows-N95-did-NOT-drive-CO2-levels.html

Of course it’s real. Who said it wasn’t? Just as real as the nearly 30% decrease in infections, similar to the UK without the same mitigations.

 

"You can’t believe everything you see on the internet just because it fits your need for bias confirmation."

 

Not sure if you're joking, but if not ... 30%, that's all?

A full lockdown means 100% reduction (in community transmission).

 

30% is not success.

 

Saturday I believe south dakota had 4 deaths. This poor gal must have had to handle all 4.

 

It’s Worldometer data my friend. You’ll never get bias confirmation from me. Just facts. Can’t figure out the nurse bit eh? You aren’t alone. I’ve posted it several times on PF, and none of you can spot the ridiculousness. But yet you want to tell me hard data is something I just see on the internet. LOL

 

Or allowing them to make a living running a business...

 

What do you mean? Their death rate is on the rise.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

Stupid people think government can stop a virus.

Two things that can. Herd immunity and a vaccine.

 

Well, like you infer above, it wasn’t really a lockdown.

 

What makes sparsely populated states seem to have much less infection and death is these states have small serious medical care facilities.

When someone has serious COVID infection, more likely than not the patients are transferred to the larger states' medical centers.

I see that here in California where I see a number of patients from Idaho, Utah, Montana, other places. The families can't visit anyway, so these smaller states can crow about how wonderful and healthy their states are.

 

I seldom see anybody inside a business, store or otherwise, without a mask any more, and our two biggest sources of infection locally are care facilities and among people/families living in the same residence where masks are not required. Our new infections numbers continue to chug right along like they have ever since election day or thereabouts. Our deaths seem to have plateaued some as they are getting more days in between than they had been since Labor Day. I was told, however, that a local grocery store has an outbreak among its employees. I am not sure if that is connected to a spreader among them or from all the Thanksgiving shoppers. I am inclined to believe it is probably the latter as it is on the margin of the city and that shopping area has seen businesses hit before. Having a health department clinic right in the center of it probably brings more infected people into those businesses on their way to or from being tested.