Suppose Obama is of Kenyan birth

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  1. Margot2

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    If Obama had been born in Kenya to an American mother and a Kenyan man, his birth would have been registered at the nearest US Consulate.. and he would be a natural born US citizen with a US passport.. That's how its done for THOUSANDS of Americans born abroad.
     
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    Or that Trump's mother was impregnated by a rabid orangutan...
     
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    To answer the thread question directly, IMO no, it would not invalidate Obama's Presidential actions including SCOTUS appointments. I doubt it would even get to the SCOTUS, but on the off-chance it did, they would weigh the heavy weight of "will of the voter" against "Constitutional formality" and would find 9-0 against any retroactive unwinding of Obama policies.

    Doing otherwise would lead to a slippery slope of all manner of retroactive chicanery possible from any side against any side in the future. Not a precedent any sane judge would set.

    IMO, the native born U.S. requirement is archaic today and should be done away with. They should replace it with significantly lengthy residence and citizenship requirements.
     
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    Don't we have enough issues on this forum to debate without inventing hypothetical ones?
     
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    Yep, that is the way the law reads. It happens all the time. A baby is born to a US citizen outside the US. The child is a US citizen.
     
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    But not a "natural born citizen" and that's not what the topic is.

    My guess would be, the DNC would say that they were caught again and anything with Obama's signature on it wouldn't be legal.

    I doubt Obama couldn't be prosecuted because not even Obama knows where he was born.

    How many remember the day when they were born ?

    Right now there are tens of thousands of Mexicans who parents bought forged birth certificates at McArthur Park for their little illegal aliens babies. These babies have grown up and actually believe they were born in East L.A. because they have a fake birth certificate saying that they were.
     
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    Remember, the immigration and naturalization laws were different in 1961 than they are today.

    Winston Churchill's mother was a U.S. citizen but Winston was never an U.S. citizen just a British subject. Son follows the condition of his father not mother. That's "Natural Law" aka "Law of Nature."
     
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    So Rafael Edward Cruz should never have been allowed to run in the 2016 Republican presidential primary? He was born in Canada. His mother was an American citizen, but his father was Cuban, who didn't achieve Canadian citizenship until three years after Ted was born, and didn't become an American citizen until 2005. By your logic, Ted Cruz is either Canadian or Cuban.
     
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    There are only TWO kinds of US citizenship.. Natural born and naturalized.
     
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    That seems highly possible.
     
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    Even though I like Ted Cruz I couldn't have voted for him for President knowing that Cruz didn't meet the definition of being a Natural Born Citizen.

    I always believed that Obama was just a Hawaiian hodad and was born in Hawaii but I never looked upon Obama being a natural born citizen knowing that the U.S. Constitution is based upon Natural Law and "Son follows the condition of his father."
     
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    Not to many years ago there were three kinds of citizenships.
    Natural Born
    Native Born
    Naturalized citizen aka hyphenated-American

    There's been a lot of revisionism going on during the past few decades.
     
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    That would only be true if Obama Sr was also a US citizen.
     
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    The only nonsense is your racist accusation. How is calling out questionable behavior of a president racist. The race card was the default response of every liberal whenever someone questioned Obama's credentials. For that Obama got a pass on many things a white president would have to explain. The racist thing is bullshit, tired old bullshit and that dog don't hunt no more.
     
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    No.. anyone who is on US soil for any reason is under US jurisdiction.. The only exception is Ambassadors from other countries.
     
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    No.. babies are born to American mothers every day.. all over the world. They register the birth at the US consulate...
     
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    Nope.. There has never been more than 2 kinds of US citizenship.
     
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    Travel to Bangkok and have sex with a minor and when you return to the USA you will be arrested and prosecuted by the U.S. government because you owe your loyalty to the USA and no matter where you are in the world the United States has "jurisdiction thereof" over you.

    Explain why the Mexican government has 50 Mexican consulates in America.

    Even the Mexican government acknowledges Natural Law that "son follows the condition of his father" and that all anchor babies in America who father was a Mexican citizen are Mexican citizens who under international law owe their allegiance to Mexico not the USA.

    "Jurisdiction thereof" = Not owing allegiance to anybody else.
     
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    Why don't you READ the damned citizenship statutes?

    8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States ...


    U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter III › Part I › § 1401; 8 U.S. Code § 1401 ... Nationals and citizens of United States at birth.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
     
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    I'm not talking about anything other than the birth certificate crap. That is most definitely racist.

    Not to mention off-topic.
     
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    Notice anything ?

    (June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title III, ch. 1, § 301, 66 Stat. 235; Pub. L. 89–770, Nov. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 1322; Pub. L. 92–584, §§ 1, 3, Oct. 27, 1972, 86 Stat. 1289; Pub. L. 95–432, §§ 1, 3, Oct. 10, 1978, 92 Stat. 1046; Pub. L. 99–653, § 12, Nov. 14, 1986, 100 Stat. 3657; Pub. L. 103–416, title I, § 101(a), Oct. 25, 1994, 108 Stat. 4306.)
     
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    No they don't.. If you break the law in a foreign country, you are subject to their laws.. Sometimes the US embassy can help, but usually they can't.

    Jurisdiction in law .. means anyone in the US, legal or illegal, on a visa or not.. tourist, businessman, student is under US jurisdiction.. Jurisdiction doesn't have squat to do with allegiance.

    You really know very little about law.
     
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    I'll concure only if you can explain one simple thing, how was Bill Clinton able to receive his draft induction orders in 1968 when he was a Rhodes Scholar living in England ?

    The United States still had jurisdiction over Bill Clinton's butt.
     
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    Name one single law or legal precedent in this country since the constitution was signed that says that.

    Partus sequitur ventrem - google it. It says the exact opposite of what you're claiming.
     
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    You idiot.. The US mail also goes to England.
     
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