Supreme Court deals Biden climate agenda serious blow with EPA decision

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  1. JET3534

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    Imagine posting both a strawman fallacy and an appeal to emotion fallacy in one short post. If you want me to explain why "let's destroy the environment in the name of money" is a strawman I will do so. But it should be obvious.
     
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    Here in Los Angeles, liberals are upset about this as they commute in their single occupancy vehicles and stop for some drive thru! Some have even placed 2 "Save the Planet" stickers on their bumpers!
     
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    Is the irony ever lost on them?
     
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    Actually Trump continues to have the most successful second term, while not being in office, of any president in the modern era. He has won on gun rights, returned abortion to the State Legislatures, and again struck a blow against Administrative Arrogation of the Lawmaking Powers of Congress.

    Supreme Court Rejects Broad EPA Authority to Regulate Greenhouse Gases from Power Plants.

    Today the Supreme Court confirms "that the EPA lacks broad authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from power plants under the Clean Air Act. Relying upon the "major questions" doctrine. Section 111 of the Clean Air Act does not allow the EPA to require the replacement of coal with renewable energy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

    "The agency must point to "clear congressional authorization" for the power it claims" that Congress granted it.

    If Congress wants the EPA to have the power they are attempting to exercise, then Congress needs clearly authorized that.
     
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    These points you attempt to make have nothing to do with this topic. The Court decision was crystal clear that during the first 40 years of the EPA's existence they acted within their mandate, and it's only on this latest question where they exceed their grant of authority from Congress, therefore, had the EPA remained with precedent, this case would have never occurred.
     
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    Let's back up:

    This Federal Agency has no inherent power, rather, it exercises derived power from Congress, therefore, it must remain within the clearly stated grant of power by Congress.

    Perhaps an analogy would help: If you granted an agent the authority to sell your house, then that agent would have the power to sell your house within that grant of authority. They would not have authority, from your grant, to extensively remodel the house prior to selling it, if for example, even if you did grant them the authority to clean it up to present for sale.

    In this case, if they claimed the authority to extensively remodel, then the Court is saying: "You may only do so, with a clear grant of such authority from Congress, which today, you do not have." And of course, if Congress does want the EPA to have that authority, they are free to clearly state that.
     
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    When a group exists to only deprive others of freedom then they are the enemy. The democrats are bad enough but the right has gone off the rails. They are worthy of scorn.

    Care to name all the Republican Presidents that were initially elected by the will of the people? It isn’t a trick question. You can even include Bush’s second term (reelection) if you need to.
     
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    Do Democrats have 60 votes in the Senate or do you not comprehend basic governmental structure?
     
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    My sources say 69
     
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    I assume right near their COEXIST sticker, all the while screaming "those middle states. Those states in the middle... the red stuff" are the problem. Yeah, those red middle states that produce all that oil and food you blue states on the coast consume!
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seeing your typical contributions I am sure you got that figure from the same place you source everything.
     
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    First, you asked "In the last 30 years how many Republicans have been initially elected by the will of the people? One". You didn't specify only presidential and is why your comment was ludicrous.

    Second, you literally have the tenacity to tell another poster "Do Democrats have 60 votes in the Senate or do you not comprehend basic governmental structure?" and then claim that there hasn't been an elected Republican president in the last 30 years by the will of the people. I think you're the one that is missing basic comprehension of our government structure as we are NOT a Democracy, but a constitutional republic that allows for the minority states to have a voice in our election process. Each of those presidents were absolutely elected by the will of the people. How it happens is something that sours you, but it is how our country was formed.
     
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    same is true of prohibition laws, congress could not pass prohibition laws, thus created the DEA
     
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    United states almanac
     
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    Sometimes I am tempted to ask them about that when I run into them at the hardware store buying pesticides/herbicides that will end up in the ocean!
     
  16. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Here's a bold prediction to watch for. Tesla has finally turned a profit for the last 3 or 4 years (of their 16 or so years in existence). However, they didn't do it selling cars. They did it selling emission credits to other automakers. You see, this is how the government pushes innovative stuff that in the end, nobody really seems to want. They set a regulatory standard for a "pollutant" and then set up a credit trading program between manufacturers so that anyone who has trouble meeting the standard can buy credits from someone who is meeting the standard and apply those credits to their cert. Electric vehicles are the only vehicles that meet CO2 standards inherently. So Tesla, not having any combustion engine vehicles, can sell every single credit they can rustle to other manufacturers.

    Clever, huh?

    That explains pretty much the entirety of Tesla profits. It also explains why everybody and their mother are now offering some kind of electric vehicle (hello Lightning!).

    Now what happens when EPA can no longer regulate CO2? CO2 credits and profit center obliterated.

    And seeing how Tesla is complaining about not being able to afford to bring their new factories online, my guess is they'll be bankrupt by the end of the year.

    WV v. EPA just continues to entertain.
     
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    The SCOTUS has drawn a line limiting the pretensions of the administrative state. Well done.
     
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    In Landmark Ruling, Supreme Court Deals Massive Blow To Biden's Pretentious Climate Change Agenda

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    "SCOTUS doubted Congress intended to delegate the question of "how much coal-based generation there should be over the coming decades, to any administrative agency."

    The guy that can't lower gas prices can lower global temperature?

    "The justices ruled that in the latest example of Democratic overreach, the Environmental Protection Agency was not specifically authorized by Congress to reduce carbon emissions when it was set up in 1970. The ruling leaves the Biden administration dependent on passing legislation if it wants to implement sweeping regulations to curb emissions."

    A Free People requiring that sweeping changes be made by OUR elected representatives rather than mandated by unelected agency staff pukes, what a concept!

    "The justices doubted Congress intended to delegate the question of “how much coal-based generation there should be over the coming decades, to any administrative agency”.

    The Court minority bathered on with "the usual green tripe that has sent the country to the edge of a hyperinflationary commodity disaster."
     
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    Disagree. The "problem" is that there is far more polarization on both sides of the political aisle, therefore more disagreement as to what constitutes progress or regression. If 50% of Congress disagrees that what you happen to favor is "progress", of course they will refuse to do it. And that is exactly how the system is DESIGNED to work. And the Dems and Harry Reid didn't like that their agenda and nominees were being thwarted, so they changed the rules, and reaped the whirlwind. The system isn't and never was the problem, it's "we the people" and who we are electing to be our legislators.
     
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    Just a correction

    It's "Democrat over-reach"

    there is nothing democratic about the Democrat party
     
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    So, you agree? You? Great. no more executive fiat. Democrats just have to start wanting to create consensus now. Can't wait for them to start working to keep the nation great.
     
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    Yeah. Garland. The little tyrant. Thank god we dodged that poison... And you seem to have missed who was in the minority, but details... never mind.
     
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    True. Democrats and their petty tyranny. The time for them will soon be over.
     
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    Well done in deed. :applause:
     
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    The authority lies in the mission that Congress legislates. The EPA is not a self-governing entity and the court opened the door for challenges to any such agency that tries to become an authoritarian bully.

    The very first thing that I would advise my representatives to do would be to bring in John Kerry and require a full disclosure about what he and his minions are up to at the State Department and by what authority.
     
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