Supreme Court splits on Trump tax cases, potentially shielding returns until after election

Isn't everyone?

 

I'm just guessing, but I think he doesn't want his supporters to know that he isn't nearly as wealthy and successful as he claims.

 

Re-erected? Is that a Freudian slip?

 

Any day on this side of the grass is a good day, right?

 

That and/or foreign entanglements. We already know there are discrepancies in the numbers he's provided to the IRS and the numbers he's provided to banks, which is a much bigger problem and what he should be more concerned about, but I think his real fear is about something much simpler: his fragile ego.

 

No need to see their taxes. They've already been tried over their illegal use of the Trump Foundation's funds, to the point that fines had to be paid, the Foundation was shut down, and all of his children ard barred for life from running any charities.

They're a family of grifters.

 

When facts are evident, belief is not required.

 

Short answer NO. I consider every politician to be crooked in one form or another but I knew that going into the election of 2016. I believe Trump to love this country which is something I cannot say for all too many presently in Congress. If you think otherwise ask yourself why would any rational person would want to stay in DC after age 60.

 

There seemed to be a really solid case of investor fraud for them when it came to Soho. Prosecutors said they had emails where they talked about knowingly lying to investors about the number of units sold.

 

One IRS official in the Obama administration was accused of bias against granting tax immunity to new organizations if they were sponsored by right wingers. I don't see the relevance here. Also, as far as I know, she was not indicted, much less convicted.

I'm in agreement with both of these SCOTUS decisions.

 

Have you ever been audited? I base this on personal experience.

 

I can't. I truly do not understand how anyone with more that two brain cells could possibly support such an obvious crook.

 

yep, unlike Trump, Biden has nothing to hide

 

With the help of those making Trump-like insults to those with opposing beliefs, he will be elected again. Your post is an example of why Trump is an accurate reflection of the average American regardless of party. Sadly, we deserve him. You must admire him to emulate him as you do.

 

I am impressed with your mind reading abilities. I wish I could claim to know something that only he knows without any concern for my credibility.

 

1. They didn't bother making the argument altogether(they went with their immunity crap. Which, I don't know why. Why bother making a controversial argument without case precedence, when there is a strong fourth amendment issue at play here.)

2. I saw that link myself, and I went deeper into it. Did you know that subpoena's were created by a 1992 congressional act? But this should not have been done via act, it's literally an amendment to the fourth Amendment to add another means by which the courts/government can get information. The framers would've demanded an amendment, and at the very least a referendum.

As i had read the amendment, and seeing as there wasn't an addendum, my legal theory was that subpoena's are lesser in stature to a warrant and that they are only enforced at a court level(indeed, the SCOTUS has stated "criminal proceeding", only issue is that
since the President is neither at trial, nor indicted legally speaking it's not a criminal proceeding against him yet.

As I mentioned to Egoboy, through Vance's OWN words they're still investigating! They want a crack at this evidence, to further that investigation. I again, do not know why the lawyers did not contest via the fourth amendment, but since they failed to do so they allowed the court to basically expand the fourth amendment.

Warrants and subpoena's are now equal, and "criminal proceedings" have been expanded to mean investigations, not just the actual trial itself.

 

Obama released his birth certificate before the election of 2008, you know that right

 

If Trump thinks he has a 4th Amendment case against the SDNY grand jury, he can try making it. Also, grand juries have always been part of "criminal proceedings." This isn't new.

 

Trump is hiding his taxes from the voters... no voter is dumb enough to buy you're "trumps not covering up his taxes"

 

don't need to read minds, Biden released them, thus has nothing to hide

Trump is hiding his, thus has something to hide

common sense based on the facts

 

I disagree(but then, we've never had to clearly define it. There were so many opportunities for this case to establish common sense de jure law here, I wish I were arguing on behalf of Trump.) If an investigation is a part of a criminal proceeding(including an investigation by a grand jury), then that essentially means that a person(and persons) investigated are a part of the criminal justice system even though they hadn't been tried or convicted yet.

That just flies against everything the Framers believed and brings us one step closer to Stalin's USSR of political prisoners of thought. Now, as I pointed out there are exceptions(obstruction of justice, etc) but generally speaking we don't view the investigation itself as part of the criminal proceeding.

Remember, we are presumed innocent until proven guilty under the court of law. That standard can't really hold if investigations are viewed as a criminal proceeding. There's so much I dislike about the court's ruling and none of it has anything to do with Donald Trump. The court failed in my view, to protect our fourth amendment rights against an unnecessary expansion, and now we have to live with it.

 

Common sense and claiming to know someone has nothing to hide are miles apart. Maybe he is just good at hiding it!

 

if someone is hiding something that people in their position normally release freely, common sense is they have something to hide

Trump has something to hide, and is going to great lengths to hide it

 

And you are wrong. The facts don't care about your feelings.

Yes . . . surely you know more about the law than . . . lawyers . . . and the SC.

It is.

. . . yes. The purpose of a grand jury is to decide whether or not to issue criminal charges. That's part of the criminal justice system.

. . . because the President is subject to the same laws we are? Bull ****.

Again, you are just flat-out wrong. You and whoever "we" is.

So your argument is literally that there can be no subpoenas until after a guilty verdict . . . you realize that, right? Your view doesn't matter. The fantasy world you are proposing does not exist. Your "view" would nullify ALL attempts by grand juries to subpoena evidence . . . in fact, it would basically nullify ALL subpoenas. That's insane.

 

That calls for the operation of the mind. You have no way of knowing that. Given the hostility towards Trump, I don't blame him for resisting. Keep in mind, while you may support using the IRS as a political weapon, it is already way too powerful as it is and can just as easily be used against you should you become politically inconvenient to someone wielding this power.

Worst case, you get 4 more years of Trump. The power you support will be there forever.