Supreme Court to hear case of baker's refusal to make wedding cake for gay couple

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. There's a massive difference between saying,

    "I refuse to make a cake for a gay customer"
    and
    "I refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding."
     
  2. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    Quite frankly I hope it happens, so that it can be put front and center into people's face the unintended consequences of their actions. The ruling would see one of the most rapid reversals ever.
     
  3. Nordic Democrat

    Nordic Democrat Well-Known Member

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    Not changing goal posts, I just stated I disagree with religion mixing with business or government. I believe in property, and individual small business, but I don't agree with top down corporate structures or capitalism.
     
  4. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If anything, siding with the gay couple would be forcing their beliefs unto a private citizen.
    The gays can choose to go to a bakery that will make cakes for gay weddings.
     
  5. Maquiscat

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    You do realize that there are atheists who don't support SSM or homosexuality as welll, yes?
     
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    Bottom line is the christian baker has a stick up his @$$ and takes religion more seriously than his job. At the end of the day that is what I have a problem with.
     
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    Of course, but those people are simply hateful. Aside from religion, there is zero reason to be against either.
     
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    One can be ignorant and still within their rights.
     
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    no it doesn't. Unprotected sex with an infected partner does. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.

    Which is why the majority of all aids cases are overwhelming heterosexual.
     
  10. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, freedom is a pesky thing for progressives to appreciate - i know
     
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    Disagreeing with you is not "being hateful". You seeking to deny people their own religious beliefs IS, however.
     
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    No. But you need it to get Social Security survivor benefits. You need it to be able to visit a seriously ill partner in the hospital when "only spouse and close relatives" have visitation rights. Why do you not want to recognize that the Government IS in the marriage business.
     
  13. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's the problem with that logic; Lesbians have the lowest level of STDs of any group. Does that mean we should be promoting lesbian sex ? I'm for it, btw.
     
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    Good luck on finding that. While I'm sure there is a couple out there, they will be hard to find
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This Nordic guy is going a great job of demonstrating progressive ignorance, arrogance, on civil rights and the Constitution.
     
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    If I were a Christian, that's the first thing I would do if the SC ruled in favor of the gay couple.
     
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    People have the freedom to be dumb, and I have the freedom to say so ;)
     
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    I'm not sure what country you live in, but in the US workers have the ability to form an LLC (limited liability company) and then run that company based on whatever rules the specify in their articles of organization. Worker directed enterprises are a reality and a possibility for any who are interested.
     
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    Businesses may not refuse goods, services, employment or housing based on race, religion, gender, age, or disability. A prospective customer may refuse to do business with anyone he wished for any reason. One is acting as an individual and the other is a business entity.
     
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    It's not about disagreement, what reason would anyone have to be against 2 other people being married? WTF!!!!!!!!!!! It's a non issue to non hateful people. I believe in human rights because of science, compassion, etc. I don't agree with gay marriage because of my personal, biased beliefs. Don't you see how dumb that is?
     
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    I agree, but only to the extent that corporations CONTINUE to receive government help, tax breaks, etc. We who support WDE's simply want the same treatment.
     
  22. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, but you do NOT have the right to force that 'dumb' person to do something that's against their deeply held belief.
     
  23. Longshot

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    You'd have to educate me on the tax breaks given to corporations that are withheld from LLCs. One thing I do know is that LLCs have the option to avoid the double taxation imposed on corporations.
     
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    True , especially when liquidating...
     
  25. Nordic Democrat

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    Well let's get education going because living in a country of dumb religious people is akin to living in Pakistan. Not good.
     

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