SUV plows down Wisconsin Christmas parade as children watch in horror

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    Tragic story.
    Whether it happened in 1995 or 2021.

    Tragic story, all the way around.

    Anyway, back on-topic to Brooks, I still find it beyond stupefying that this (according the RW) "BLM Folk Hero" is still behind bars.

    When, just a few days ago some people were claiming that he "DEFINITELY" would have his Bail Money raised:

    Go figure...:bored:
     
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  2. Par10

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    That was truly terrible. However, are you saying that because of the way that the law in Maryland was written, and allowed that guy to get off with a $2500 fine, he was a racist?
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1996-05-15-1996136126-story.html

    That guy might have been an a*s or a horrible driver but I didn't get the feeling that he intentionally wrecked his car into a bus stop because he was racist and it appears that the law didn't let him off because he was white but simply because it was horribly written. So, you still need to provide some proof that he would have been let off if the races were reversed.
     
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    I'm saying that it's possible this Wisconsin incident WAS an accident, as is being claimed. It shouldn't get the guy off, as it shouldn't have in MD, but it's not on BLM or 'the left' either, as many here seem to be maintaining

    I believe that Baltimore holds the honor of having the Worst Drivers in the USA, and our traffic laws are among the causes

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryla...ci-americas-worst-drivers-20190625-story.html
     
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    I think I already explained that. If he stopped, he would have just been arrested. There were too many witnesses for his to think the police would kill him if he was unarmed. You also have to consider that suicide is not the act of a brave person. But look at what happened after he drove off. He dumped his car, coat, his shoes and ID. (In legal terms that is called consciousness of guilt,) He then went onto the porch of someone that he did not know with the lame story of having to see when an Uber driver was going to arrive. How did he contact Uber without a smartphone?

    Brooks has been diagnosed with being Bipolar and Manic Depression. But the ditching of the items left in his car shows that he displayed consciousness of guilt. After that, he had no plan. He was basically waiting there for the cops to arrive. He had expected to be dead at that point. When he wasn't, he didn't know what to do.
     
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    No one has said he's not guilty of anything. And who said anything about stopping? So long as his SUV was operable he could have continued to try and run down cops. White cops won't hesitate to shoot blacks who are threatening their lives which they didn't do according to you but they missed and he drove off. So why couldn't Brooks have turned around and headed back towards the cops? Not sure why you don't address that?
     
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    You push theories, and call them alternatives. But when I say, and I have on numerous times, that I am not saying that this is exactly what happened, you claim that I am "insisting". If you go back to me earliest posts, you will see a different stated opinion. But I have firmly stuck to the statement that this is purely opinion. The difference in my opinion is that it is based on actual evidence that you have continually claimed does not exist. Yours, as far as I can tell, has absolutely no evidence.

    I say, and I will continue to say, that this is a theory that touches on all the evidence available. It speaks to the background of the suspect. The fact that this type of thing has happened before, and a review of all the evidence that is available. For the record, I do have experience is conducting investigations. This theory is the one that matches all the available information. But it also debunks your panicked alternative theory.
     
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    What can Brooks do if the police are smart enough not to stand in front of his vehicle? How could he keep attempting to run down people when he reached the end of the parade route? Turn around and go back the way he came? Now, you're just grabbing at straws. If all he wanted to do was commit suicide, he could have gotten a gun and gone into a police station. But that would not have provided him with the political statement that he wanted. He did not want to just get killed by the police. He wanted to get killed by police while running over white people.
     
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    Brooks did not want to commit suicide by cop, he did not want to run white people over, and your assumption he wanted to make a political statement is without merit. You get the last word.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    I have no clue why you would think that he accidently ran over that many people. Did his SUV auto-drive him to his house where it conveniently and suddenly stopped running? Accidents go on for feet, not miles. I know that SUVs are evil and can do a lot of evil things all by themselves but that's pushing it.
     
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    Dont know about the suicide but he certainly wanted to run over white people because he did it over and over and over again. He could have avoided the parade route easily. He chose to run barricades and drive through crowds. He was seeking out violence. Of course he wanted to kill people. He knew what he was doing.
     
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    Go right back to my first first and then read forward. Find any post where I 'push' one particular theory for his motive over any other. As I said the only time I even mentioned other potential motives was simply to point out they existed not because I'm a fan boy for any particular one of them. And then, while your counting add up how many times I've said something like 'I don't know what his motive was' or 'I don't have a theory' or something similar.

    I even conceded at least once, possibly more often that the crime could have been politically motivated. However if it was terrorism as you keep you keep insisting there's certainly no evidence to show the attack was planned well in advance - at least nothing that has been publicly disclosed. Which would have to make it a more or less spontaneous decision made shortly after he fled ahead of Police. But again investigators aren't saying this was the case either. And since I'm not a mind reader (and presumably neither of you) I don't know what the hell he was thinking, (assuming he was thinking at all) just before the crime was committed. So once again we come back the fact that so far you have no evidence. So produce it and if you do share it with the police because (publicly at least) they claim not to have it. Least ways they are (still) publicly insisting that terrorism was not the motive. But if that ever changes? Fine, no problem, motive established.

    But what you don't seem to acknowledge is that speculation like yours can be damaging in circumstances like this. Public speculation and rumors are not helpful, either for the police or the families of the victims. They're also completely unnecessary in cases like this because you don't need to prove motive in order to convict someone of murder. Oh, its good to have, no question, since it distills the case in the mind of the jury. But given the mountain of forensic evidence and eye witness testimony etc being compiled? Even if he keeps 'shtum' about motive for the rest of his life he's still going to be tried and assuming he's convicted end up in jail.

    Lastly I to have 'experience', as a Detective. Thirty years of it. And this included work on counter terrorism investigations investigations (where motive is almost always easy to prove). So yes I'm going to insist on the evidence for your claims being produced.
     
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    This was not an accident...
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    Silence from Brandon.
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    That guy has some nerve to show his face there. This whole incident is the fault of all the division his left-wing media has stirred up over the last 7-8 years. If I was a victim or family member to a victim there, I’d tell him to get the hell out straight to his face. Hopefully this clown is welcomed to Waukesha with hundreds of middle fingers.

    (Edited) Didn’t see the last line. Go figure he wouldn’t even consider going. He knows he’s hated there and he secretly cheers it happened anyway.
     
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    Yet he and Kamala went and visited James
    Blake the rapist. What total POS they both are. They’re hoping it just goes away.
     
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    They lionize thugs and invariably side with evil over right.
     
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    He hit another car first, which caused his car to leave the road and hit the bus stop.
     
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    Yes, so is that a racist act? It would be pretty hard to say that it was but I suppose if a white guy killing white guys is racist, then who knows.
     
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    Glad to see that I am not talking to someone that will not understand my words. Terrorism does not have to be well planned. Nor, does premeditation have to be well in advanced. It is known that Brooks had assaulted his girlfriend, and had fled before the cops arrived. When you started responding to my posts, I was responding to a someone that claimed that Brooks left his ex-girlfriend's house in a hurry, and shortly ran through the barricades. I was pointing out that we did not have enough information to assume that the there was a short timeframe between the assault on his girlfriend, and his assault on the parade. As a detective of over 30 years, you know that several factors have to be taken into consideration. The first is the direction, and distance, that the location of the domestic assault was in relation to the start of the parade. The theory that you have kept alive, when everyone else including the police has stopped using it, is that he was panicked. As I have pointed out panic is not a permanent state. The further he is away from his ex-girlfriend's house, the less likely that panic was a motivating factor. Further, as I have pointed out numerous times, Brooks was heading in the opposite direction of where he lived. He crashed through the barricades on Main St at the White Rock Ave. intersection. At that point he was headed west. He lived in Rufus King which is due north of Milwaukee. Milwaukee is due east of Waukesha. Therefore, Brooks was running away from his home. As a detective of over 30 years, you should know that it is human nature to for a panicked person to run towards what he is most comfortable with, not away. If he was panicked, he would be trying to leave the area by the most expeditious direction available. Remember, he is familiar with the area. The most expeditious direction would have been to head east on Main St. not west. Further, if he was truly panicked and he mistakenly turned the wrong direction on Main St. he would have turned around when he came to the barricades, not smashed through them. He also would have turned off on one of the many side streets instead of driving the entire length of the parade route. Finally, a panicked person that hates cops and white people does not run to where they would find cops and white people. So, panic is debunked. You have yet to acknowledge that fact.

    Now, back to terrorism. When you remove panic from the equation. You are not left with much. You have a man that raps about a hatred of cops and white people. His social media posts equated all whites to trump supporters, and advocated killing them. He is visiting his ex-girlfriend. He has a history of violence and limited self-control. He is mad at his girlfriend, and he is in a town that is 88.8% whites (according to the most recent census). There is a parade going on in town. As a detective with over 30 years' experience that includes counter-terrorism investigations, you know that the three elements of a crime are means, motive and opportunity. When it comes to terrorism, means and opportunity are the same. The differentiating factor is motive, aka intent. If their motive is based on creating panic, and is politically motivated, then it is terrorism. The evidence does support that Brooks intent was to create a panic among whites, but I personally did not claim that this was a terrorist act. Not all hate crimes, even one as heinous as this, are terrorism. My stated opinion is that Brooks was intending to make a name for himself within the African American community. He may have even thought he was setting an example. In my opinion, the only shaky area of my theory is the suicide by cop element, but given the parallels between this assault and the one six years ago in Oklahoma, I think it is supportable.
     
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    Here is an image of the Waukesha marching band. I'm assuming this is the same as the one that was hit. He clearly has an animus towards whites which is not uncommon with many blacks in the BLM movement. I don't know if this was his motivation and whether the Rittenhouse trial also played into his hatred. These could quite possibly be factors in this evil person's state of mind. Would be interesting to hear what he has to say but I imagine his lawyer has him silent. Hopefully federal charges will be filed so he can receive the death penalty.

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    I don't believe in the death penalty. It assumes too much faith in the almighty State. But if I did believe in the dath penalty, this guy would be at the top of my list. I hope he never sees the outside of a cell again.

    Could these things be factors in this crime? Sure. It wouldn't surprise me if it were. But I require evidence before claiming it was. That's all I'm saying.
     
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    Did you require evidence to believe the medias constant labelling of Rittenhouse as a "white supremacist"?
     
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    You mean the same Rittenhouse who I said was justified in his actions? Yes, I'd need evidence before calling him a white supremacist.
     

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