Sweden's new rape legislation

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  1. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    And now it has happened, for the first time, a man has been sentenced to prison for "uncareful rape" and the story is just as bizzarre as that prescription [my translation]:
    There is so much banality in this story that I am not quite sure where to begin, but there are a few points I would like to addressed and those are:

    1. They met and 'matched' on Tinder, a notorious sex app that isn't exactly where people sign up to meet their future husband/wife.
    2. They agreed to meet up at the dide's place where they talked about sex and about using a condom.
    3. The woman got undressed and allowed the man to carry her to the bedroom.

    If these planks do.not imply there was consent, I do not know what does. What sort of Kafka-esque story is this anyways? Jesus. It is like #believewomen, but on steroids.

    Furthernore, the man even stopped wen he realised the woman was uncomfy.

    Anyways, what do you make of this story? Is the law crazy or good? What effects will this have on dating and society as a whole?

    Source: http://www.dagensjuridik.se/2018/10...de-ha-fragat-kvinnan-efter-tvetydiga-signaler
     
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    This is just more of the left eating itself.

    What a nightmare.
     
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    Some parts of that article sound like flat-out rape, but then the next paragraph contradicts that notion. Judging from the court's ruling, it seems obvious it was not rape as they conclude the man had "no intention to rape" which makes the fact that he was sentenced even more bizarre. I would really like to read the full protocol on this one.

    Absolutely insane.

    I remember reading about this new law proposition a while back and thinking it was weird, but I never thought they would actually go on and pass it. Especially not since the talks were followed by - beleive it or not - a Feminist outcry. This is makes that old South Park joke of "everybody. hand me your consent forms!" a reality.
     
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    Next will be "Morning after regret rape"
     
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    That's because in Sweden they have a different definition of "rape".

    You can thank feminist ideology.
     
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    That's the weirdest part of it all - they haven't cottoned on to the fact they invited the problem, but now they've got it they don't want to deal with it either. And apparently don't realise that it can only become worse into the bargain? What's the matter with females these days - I don't understand their rationalizing.
     
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    The only thing I’d feel comfortable saying is that we can’t possibly reach any kind of honest conclusion about the specific case on the basis of a single automatically translated news article. Too many key elements are unclear (or potentially misrepresented).

    On the legal principle in general, I could imagine legitimate and illegitimate examples of its application and it’s really just one small element of the difficult, arguably impossible, nature of the entire area.
     
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    I find the whole story in itself very amusing with a view to various circumstances ...

    These strange laws and legal opinions in Sweden are not new ... and certainly not because of the alleged refugee hordes who are raping through Sweden. Even if a blond, blue-eyed Swede raped there, it's so strange ... but of course the right-wing hate preachers do not say that.
     
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    delete
     
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    Automatically translated? I speak Swedish and it is my own translation, but yeah, the article lacks detail. However, it is evident that this new law distorts the boundary between consent and rape, makibg it easier to falsly accuse someone of rape.

    It seems to this is a case of "withdrawn consent" and that is just messed up.
     
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    It’s already happened on some college campuses in the U.S. The woman is believed and the man is expelled.
     
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    Apologies. I can only guess the original article was poorly written then. I'm not at all clear what points both agreed happened and what they disagreed on.

    It seems that way to you, based on a casual reading of a single (questionable) news article. It seemed different to the court based on a full hearing of all the relevant evidence. Sorry, but with nothing else to go on, the court judgement carries more credibility that your opinion.
     
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    Video taped written consent? Answer?
     
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    "The risk of the woman not participating in the event voluntarily"

    What utter bullshit. People are not robots. If you don't like something, speak up.

    There's nothing wrong with impulsively kissing someone in a plausible situation. The attempt to expand family law male discrimination into the criminal justice system will in fact be the cause of considerable social injustice.
     
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    I'm not sure how it's not rape if you didn't have the intention of doing it. Honestly, if you think that intentions and actions go hand in hand, I don't know why I'm answering you…

    As for the ruling, anyone who keeps trying to have sex in the circumstances described in your post are potential rapists who don't want to face the fact:
    "he started touching her body upon which a physical battle followed, something the man interpreted as "a challenge".
    "She tried to cover her genitalia with her hands repetedly, but the man removed them"
    "he thought they "were playing and having foreplay" when he was wrestling her "

    If a girl wrestles with you and covers her vagina, just stop. What kind of human being doesn't? Oh yeah, a rapist.
     
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    The two met on the sex app, Tinder and talked about having sex, something that - in my opinion - is obvious consent. Then, in the middle of the act, she withdraws it and the man stops his act.
     
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    Over the weekend, four rapes have been reported in Värmland, three of which occurred near or inside a nightspot in Karlstad.
    Rape capital of the world ? Four rapes in Sweden reported in just one weekend
     
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    Yes, the Islamic texts ALLOW rape of non-Muslim female captives, so Islam of course does not respect women....that's where the problem starts.
     
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    Doubt that it applies to Sweden.
     
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    It is this and things like this that have in the past few months made me go from an Independent, do a Progressive hater.

    While I definitely am no fan of Republicans, Democrats who are only Progressives now, are actually dangerous towards freedom.

    This woman asked if there was a condom, but this is rape?

    Progressive ideals want to make it so women have zero responsibility for their lives. I do not think women are as weak as Progressives make them out to be, so the only thing that makes sense is that it is a grab for power.

    Also is very evident in how Feminism has turned into the religion of Intersectionality.

    Intersectionality is dangerous and spreads discrimination under idealism, it is disgusting.

    Until Progressives change this, I am anti their party
     

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