Tax rates are going to be going up on all levels of the middle class

Discussion in 'Budget & Taxes' started by kazenatsu, Jun 4, 2021.

  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    your entire spewage is opinion.
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    No, that's just baldly false. What we see here is that you have no facts or logic to offer in support of your claims, so you call the facts and logic that prove you objectively wrong "opinion."
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you are mad that there are people more successful than you are-you wan the government to get even for you
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    No. All that has happened here is that you have realized you have no facts or logic to offer in support of your claims, so you have inevitably resorted to disingenuous and despicable ad hominem attacks based on zero (0) evidence. It's always the same. Evil must always be justified, and the only way to justify it is with lies.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what facts do you actually offer. List them. You want the rich to pay more taxes-that's an opinion. I say the rich pay too much and that is supported by the fact that the top one percent pay 40% of the federal income tax burden and the top 5%pay more than the rest of the country combined.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean, of course, if wage levels rise because of inflation.

    That is, if inflation did not change the amount of wealth people were paid, but rather just resulted in the stated dollar amount of every transaction being higher.

    If you get paid 10% more dollars but everything else costs 10% more too, you have really not come out ahead; you're in the same position you were in before.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, so I wouldn't have too much to complain about.
     
  8. bringiton

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    The facts that:
    1. Most asset value is privilege value -- i.e., the value of being legally entitled to take from others;
    2. The more assets a person has, the greater the fraction that tends to consist of privilege;
    3. Privilege is not taxed, but the earned wages of working people are.
    Etc., etc.
    No. I stated the FACT that JUSTICE requires the PRIVILEGED to pay more taxes.

    See the difference between the truth and your claim?
    No it is not, because:
    1. Federal income tax is not the only tax, or even the majority of all taxes.
    2. The top income recipients reporting in any given year are not the same as the richest individuals, who are in turn not the same as those who have the largest privilege value.
    3. You ignore who benefits the most from federal government spending (hint: it's the folks who get richer while contributing nothing, not the ones getting poorer while working one or more jobs).
    Etc.
     
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    that's all opinion using the term privilege in a way most people reject
    earned wages are taxed, so are capital gains, and income and if you are rich enough, wealth
    your definition of justice is an OPINION and your demand that the wealthy be taxed more is an OPINION.
    you cannot establish-any fact-that supports that your OPINION is better than say mine-that everyone should pay for what they actually USE.
    the poor derive the MOST benefit from the government because if the government didn't hand out wealth to those who don't earn it -they would starve-just as they have for most of history
     
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    No, that is just another bald falsehood from you.
    I already explained to you, multiple times, that in technical discussions, it is customary -- as well as honest and considerate -- to define and use technical terms so that one does not have to keep tediously repeating lengthy definitions and examples thereof.
    No, that is just another baldly false claim on your part. There is no federal wealth tax in the USA, and even junior governments do not impose broad-based wealth taxes because they are too hard to enforce.
    No, it is the normal, honest definition. You merely prefer injustice to justice, and therefore seek to redefine them.
    No. You have made that false claim many times. I said the privileged should be taxed more, not the wealthy.
    Sure I can, and have. "User pay" is not recognized by economists as a principle of honest or efficient taxation because unlike you, economists know that the user is not necessarily the beneficiary. You just want users to be forced to pay for government twice -- once in taxes, and then again in rent to the privileged for permission to access and use what their taxes just paid for -- so that rich, greedy, privileged parasites can pocket one of the payments in return for contributing nothing.
    LOL! As I have already proved to you multiple times, it is government that has forcibly removed the liberty rights of the poor, enabling the privileged to deprive them of what they would otherwise be at liberty to enjoy. The poor have starved for most of history precisely because governments have forcibly removed their rights to liberty without just compensation, and given them to the privileged. In pre-governmental societies, people didn't have much, but they rarely starved to death.
     
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    I reject your opinion. the poor have starved throughout history because they lacked the talent and ability to feed themselves
     
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    Right, because you prefer tyranny to liberty, injustice to justice, evil to good, and your objectively incorrect opinions to the truth.
    No. That false claim has been known to be false for centuries, and has been disproved many times by actual anthropological research. In societies without privilege, the poor have rarely starved. The poor have starved throughout history because the privileged have been legally entitled to deprive them of their liberty to feed themselves unless they paid the privileged just for their permission to do so.
     
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    I reject your rather far left definition of privilege. Poor people starved because they were inept in providing for themselves
     
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    There's nothing far left about it. It simply identifies a fact that the far right -- with which you might be intimately acquainted -- would prefer not be identified.
    That's just absurd, disingenuous, ahistorical garbage. The Enclosures provide a perfect refutation: people who had a right to use common land to provide for themselves did so just fine. When that right was forcibly removed and converted into the private property of the privileged, suddenly they were starving. Somehow, overnight, they became "inept"?

    Such claims are not only false and disingenuous, but transparent rationalizations for greed, privilege, parasitism and murder.
     

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