Tell an Australian what the argument is against building a border wall.

Which is why on the US side they could use a rope, NOT a ladder.

 

To enter the US but not to leave.

 

Why can't they use a rope to leave?

 

Why can't they use a rope to leave?

 

Because of border patrols. It takes a lot more time for people to climb ropes than ladders and women and children will often not have the upper body strength to do so either. Descending, on the other hand, is fast and easy and bringing a ladder to the US side is rather risky since it will literally stick out for the border patrol to see.

 

So then how would they leave?

 

That's the point. Most of the illegals come as seasonal workers. They come, they work, they go back until next time. Now, since we are locking them in, there is an increase in the number of families trying to get in and they mean to stay a long time, if not permanently. The wall is a one way street where it's far easier to come in than out. Counterproductive. That could be solved by having a no questions asked exit from the US but the radical right would have a conniption fit about punishment and the American flag.

 

Sure, but what's the point in keeping it easy for them to get out, if they're only going to be out for 5 seconds to see their families and then come straight back in again? If keeping it easy to get out somehow meant that it makes it difficult for them to get back in again, then your argument would make sense.

 

Do you want them bringing their families in to stay then? They tend to be very loyal to their families and while leaving them behind temporarily is one thing abandoning them permanently is entirely another. Your hope is that the fear of never seeing their families again is greater than their fear of smuggling in their families or leaving them to starve.
The most sensible approach is to allow guest worker permits for easy crossing both ways.
Lacking that then letting them leave unmolested makes sense.
Leaving it easier to enter than to leave is the most counterproductive approach.

 

Don't you think that the difficulty and danger associated with bringing kids, would serve as a deterrent? Especially with a giant wall where, as you say, kids "will often not have the upper body strength" to do it. Not to mention the extraordinary danger of traversing a wall of that height, with kids generally lacking the ideal coordination to safely do it. And then last but not least, the extraordinary danger posed by the desert.

In what circumstances would they be leaving their families to starve?

I agree, IF the wall didn't do anything to stop people from coming in. However, I'm not convinced that it wouldn't do anything.

 

Going DOWN a rope is easy, even for kids who could be strapped to mom or dad.
The wall is not a deterrent if the alternative is hunger or oppression. The only real sure fire methods would be
A: Americans stop doing drugs that fund the cartels that create misery and fear.
B: Economic growth to encourage people to stay home.
All the wall does is encourage people to come as a family and discourage people from leaving. The wall will never stop people from Central America escaping chaos caused by drug wars and from Mexico seeking economic advantages. Do you honestly believe that the wall could be impenetrable? Do you realize that there are native American reservations that traverse the border? Do you think they'll accept a wall splitting their reservations?
It is a colossal waste of money.

 

And a thought bubble that was allowed to crystallise.

 

The kid has to get up there first and then switch over to the rope.

Yeah, so the man can still go alone can't he? Why do the families have to go with them to avoid hunger? And families that remain home don't avoid oppression just because the man is working in the US do they?

"Mexico seeking economic advantages?"

No, but it wouldn't exactly be easy to penetrate. You do acknowledge that it would make it more difficult to cross the border don't you?

What are you saying? That they would somehow stop the wall from being built?

 

thought bubble?

 

An idea that was half baked. Mixed metaphors here.

 

What were you referring to?

 

The wall.

 

It's sinking our states education system that's for sure. The pace of the courses slow to a crawl while students who don't speak English struggle to learn the course material and a new language at the same time.

 

BUILD BRIDGES (with a huge wall around it)

 

Are you suggesting the US should widen the Rio Grande? I'm pretty sure a few scarecrows would keep those unruly Canuks away...

 

Ni, I'm suggesting that the US should built a wall!