Tennessee legislature passes permitless handgun carry bill, which now heads to Gov. Bill Lee

which is a reflection of your reasoning skills, having nothing to do with anything I actually said. Speech is orders of magnitude more deadly than any firearm.

I accept your concession.

 

IMO, everyone should have to attend training safety courses to own a gun.

Everyone in my state needs a hunters safety certificate before they can hunt, which teaches mostly about firearms safety. So why not have to pass a firearms safety course before issuing a gun?

 

Voting typically can't harm another person, unless of course the vote was for trump and they thought it was wrong.
But that is the only time I remember people dying because of voting.

How about gun buying only 1 day a year? Not on weekends. And need a picture ID to buy a gun.
And only buying a gun from a select location on the one time a year the gun buying day is?

Enact gun suppression laws like there making voter suppression laws.

 

You mean 'shall not be infringed'?

We have all sorts of infringements already. Most everyone is for infringements. Like owning some type of large arsenal weapons. Bombs, claymores, grendade launchers, etc.

 

That’s a meaningless statement. What does that mean? That uneducated idiots with guns kill other people?

Unless you knew what I was going to say ahead of time and made a fake argument that I have to argue against. It’s not hard to make up a strawman if you know what the outcome is already. I hold that we should ensure all rights as citizenship. You just have to say something like voting is like owning a gun and I think they should be treated the same.

Yeah so that’s just a dumb argument. Like a flat out dumb argument. I’m not even going to acknowledge that as anything other than a dumb argument. How in the heck can you say that because it’s a constitutional right you have no accountability or duty as a citizen to use your rights appropriately? What’s next? I get to break into your house and blast music at you in the middle of the night because “I have first amendment rights and you don’t have any property rights because property isn’t mentioned in the constitution”?

 

it’s a factually correct statement

No. Education has no relevance to people killing other people.

Right. We’ve already established you don’t know what a strawman is.

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well that settles it then lol.

Now this, is an example of a strawman.

No.

 

And the sun is yellow is factually correct and has as much baring on this conversation.

Knowing basic gun safety doesn't help people kill other people accidently with guns? I mean knowing basic gun safety might mean they know how to turn on a safety and keep it on, or if assume the gun can accidentally discharge, so be careful with where you point your gun. This is the fundamental argument. You should know how to handle a gun, before you start carrying it in public.

You can't spot one.
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The sad part is that this is the reductio ad absurdum in of itself. I mean who the heck argues anyone without basic gun safety knowledge should be allowed to carry a firearm in public. A sick society does that is making the problem worse.

How do you figure that? Because the point of having a permit is to show you can be accountable to others. You have shown that you can be trusted carrying a gun in public.

It makes as much sense as anything you've said so far.

 

Well no. My statement directly refuted your premise.

No

correct

yes

Fine. You should have a basic u set standing of civics and of economics before you can vote.

I called you on posting one.
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Oh look, another logical term you don’t know the meaning of.

Someone who understands constitutional rights.

What problem?

because you made up an argument and attributed it to me in order to argue against that instead of what I actually said.

I’m accountable to others with or without a permit.

I have no need to show I can be trust s to carry a gun in public, any more tha. I need to show I can be trusted to vote.

No it doesn’t.

 

I'm not going to respond to this. Either format it so not every sentence is broken down into whatever you think you're talking or don't bother responding. I'm not going to deal with lots of pointless little arguments.

 

I accept your concession.

 

Hmm.. Folks, like you, basically spent the last four years screaming that the presence of Trump harmed you. Did you not? Folks voted for Biden, and yet, you won't associate his death numbers to him. You admit that there is a possibility of harm. When Joe sends in the troops to engage in yet another of his Neo Con wars, then what? How many folks will die because of that choice? You seem pretty squishy here.

Since I already have to have a state issued ID to buy a weapon, and I already have to buy one from a Federal Firearms Licensed location, most of your conditionality is already being met. You seem to believe that somehow these don't already exist, and yet they do. I have to also apply and have my background checked to ensure that I am a citizen, I am not a felon, I am not a fugitive, etc. And yet, as you yourself have claimed, voting does in fact deliver harms. Why wouldn't we just enact background checks and licensing for voters that you seem entirely willing to apply to gun ownership?

 

What's the big deal about not having a permit? And the permit is not for the purchase of a gun, it's for carrying it in public.

 

Those items are artillery, etc. that's not infringing on guns at all. There's quite a difference.

 

Why are you trying to give the gov a say in what Americans own? It's none of their business.

 

How is that anyone's business? The individual can chose how and where they get their information and it has nothing to do with the gov.

 

... It's everyone's business in public. Anyone in public needs to be protected from idiots with a gun. The government represents the people. So it's the governments business to protect the public. This isn't about choosing information this is just basic "do they know how to properly handle a gun in public".

 

It most certainly is not anyone's else's business, and isn't the governments' business either. We should also take the "everyone's business" off the table as the SCOTUS has ruled it's not the gov job (police) to provide for your safety. They have clearly stated it's not their business to protect you or I.

 

So how do I protect myself against some random stranger who doesn't know how to turn the safety on their gun?

 

Every time a state loosens its gun laws, the anti-gun loons predict blood in the streets.
Still waiting...

 

The same big deal as getting a permit to go to church, to post a blog, or to have an abortion.

 

How do you protect yourself from some random stranger who doesn't know the brake pedal from the gas? What if-isms.

 

Ok, thx for the response.
Folks like me? LOL.

I can't speak for every State, but my state requires a pic ID to register. And it has to be shown on election day.
So, basically a permit is required.

But one can purchase a gun 24/7/365.
Restrictions, like the number of days, number of polling places, mailing restrictions are taking place. And most gun advocates are smiling about all the new restrictions, but scream at any new gun buying restrictions.

 

Ah yes, your justification for your belief in infringements.
Arms are arms. There's no limit placed on arms in 2A. Just like there's not suppose to be an infringement.

 

Huh?
How?

I merely showed how voting restrictions could be used to justify gun restrictions.

Those pushing for voter restrictions try to halt arms restrictions.

 

what's the big deal in showing an ID and passing a reading test to vote?