Texas ALMOST Went Blue! (2018 Midterms)

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    I have made it quite clear I am for America, I am in the center, I did not vote for Clinton or Trump, and I will oppose him as long as Trump and his allies betray We the People.

    Where do you stand? I stand for We the People of the USA.
     
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    Good point.

    I could've seen myself voting for Kasich (for example).

    I don't vote blindly for the (D).

    But, Trump was just so abhorrent.
     
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    I thought about that. Of course, ex-felons are not easy to get to the polls. The Dems will require some outreach to get them to vote, but even if the ex felon vote increases just 10-15%, that's enough to decide most close elections.
     
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    i've mentioned numerous times that i'm a center leaning conservative... being in the center, as you say, why are you mostly mouthing off at the 'right', btw, there are extremes to each side, as well as, level headed from each side, and then there are the solid/firm center... all i hear (see) from you is claims against the right, which isn't very center at all...

    i'd guess, you'd say something like "because the right is the bad guys at the moment" , however that wouldn't be honest either...
     
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    Oh, the far right right now is worse than the Pelosi gang, whom I abhor.

    I am hoping the center Dems heave Nancy overboard.
     
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    there's no comparison on the pelosi/waters gang, none, they're a league unto themselves, but to say the current administration are worse, not at all. you do realize that the only reason no one in dc(save a few) would speak against obama is they didn't want the backlash of questioning the first 'black' prez. (semi-quoted because he is indonesian, not 'black')
     
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    Blaster3 :roflol:

    Come on, try it again and be serious, please.
     
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    This is very true - the demographic writing is on the wall "unless" - Republicans get rid of extremist religious right wing platforms such as a total ban on abortion and so on. Why is it that someone has to be an anti abortion zealot to be a welcome part of the Republican party ?

    There is a movement afoot within the party to go to universal healthcare. These two things alone could turn the tide. Lose the rampant xenophobia combined with fallacious rhetoric in relation to xenophobia and the Dems would have trouble winning another election.

    Stop spending money like a princess with a credit card and start respecting the founding principles and constitution loving fiscal conservatives such as my self would return to the fold.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    You think abortion is the issue that's hurting the GOP?

    So you are looking for a pro abortion, universal healthcare party? I think the political system has already given you one.
     
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    Great food, great music and nice women. Austin is my kind of town.
     
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    Giftedone: "Lose the rampant xenophobia combined with fallacious rhetoric in relation to xenophobia and the Dems would have trouble winning another election" unless the Dems got realistic about financing and SS and medicare reform.
     
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    as true as it gets...

    an attention getter, a stretch, perhaps... let me clarify a few things...
    • i'm as opened minded as it gets, just not gullible in any way
    • i'm all for diversity and chose a neighborhood that is multi-nationality
    • have family members that are in multi-racial relationships
    • have family members that are in same sex relationships
    • have family members on both sides of the aisle politically
    • some of the things we have in common are respect & tolerance for all walks of life
    • none of us tolerate the violence nor the rhetoric being spewed by the extremists on either side, we recognize their rights, yet abhor their actions
    • we also recognize where it comes from and don't blindly place guilt by association...
    there's no question that the likes of pelosi/waters do not belong in washhington, let alone lead anyone, anywhere, and as repulsive as trump is on a personal level, there's no doubting he gets the job done, one of which is 'waking' everyone up to the corruption that everyone let go for the last 30-40+ years. he was an ominous choice, but the only choice in '16. lets hope for a better bunch, more specifically a lesser horrid bunch in 2020. i don't see that happening, but will keep an open mind...
     
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    whatever that means
     
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    Just because someone is not an anti abortion extremist does not make them pro abortion. As is typical of extremists they only look at things in terms of black vs white - "Good vs Evil" - "God vs Devil. There is a middle ground and that is where most rational people sit.

    For me it is an issue of individual liberty and respect for the founding principles - a foreign concept to most on the right these days which is unfortunate.

    The Koch brothers funded a big study and are now favor Universal healthcare .. why ? because it is cheaper and will offer more than our current system.

    There are some smart Conservatives out there - not all are blind sheep who can not think for themselves and do nothing but follow the dogma of the day. This is from the "American Conservative" website - many thought provoking things you will find there.

    The Conservative Case for Universal Healthcare
    Why in five years, the American right will embrace socialized medicine.
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/

    That "Obamacare" resembles universal healthcare in any significant way is nonsense. Obamacare does nothing to address the systemic issues that make our system so expensive and fked up.

    But hey ... if you want to be an extremist and run into a herd of stampeding bulls (the demographic time bomb you referred to previously) .. be my guest :)

     
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    Anytime I see "the conservative case for..." I know to hold on to my wallet. But anyway, except for those "issue of individual liberty and respect for the founding principles" as I've alredy said, you have a party that fills your needs.
     
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    In a lame disingenuous and pathetic attempt to pigeonhole me as being attached only to those two issues - or even being attached at all given 1) I stated a number of other issues and 2) was commenting on the raging masses in general and not my personal preferences.

    Don't blame me that you can not deal with the reality that our healthcare system is so fked up that even staunch Republicans are calling for Universal healthcare as a better and less expensive alternative.

    Nor is it my fault that you care not for the founding principles and the rule of law and clearly have no idea what "Republicanism" is.
     
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    I didn't pigeonhole you. I figured I needed to get the denial out there before the #metoo mavens dived in. You pigeonholed yourself, if that's anatomically possible. You brought up abortion and healthcare, not me, and you've double downed on the healthcare. So if you have other issues that are important, you haven't listed them. So based on that, I don't know what you are complaining about, nor why you are mad at me for pointing out exactly where you belong.

    You should be thanking me for my assistance.
     
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    I am not mad at you .. .just correcting your silly assumptions and nonsensical gibberish - which you continue in this post. I listed a number of other issues that voters view as important.

    Keyword being "voters" Unable to deal with reality you immediately defaulted to personal attacks ... typical but lame never the less.
     
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    Giftedone is guiding Lil Mike with common sense.
     
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    What personal attack?

    Looking over my posts, I don't see anything resembling a personal attack. If you are going to make the accusation you should at least explain the charge.
     
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    The Dems claim to be the party of "the people" but, in many respects the Dem Establishment is just as elitist agenda driven as as the Red Establishment.

    Establishment comes first, Party second and the little guy a very distant third.

    At the end of the day Red Establishment disdains the principles of "Republicanism" and Blue Establishment disdains the principles of "Classical Liberalism".

    Both however "Love" Utilitarianism justification for law and in particular "fallacious Utilitarianism"
     
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    Beautiful my friend.
     
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    Yes, the JBS were fools then, and it is foolish now to believe in their philosophy.
     

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