The 70th week of Daniel has already begun in spring 2020

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    There is an obvious reason for everyone to suspect the beginning of apocalyptic events precisely from the spring of 2020: for the first time in the history of mankind, many countries of the world were covered by quarantines and lockdowns. When testing this assumption and applying the famous prophecies of the Bible about the timing of various events described in the book of Daniel, in Revelation and other books of the Bible, I got coincidences that cannot randomly fall out every year. Therefore, I assume that this time everything coincided as it should and those who are waiting for the Lord Jesus Christ can rejoice.

    The beginning of the week should be in the spring, in the month of Nisan, because the previous 69 weeks are counted from the 16th day of the month of Nisan, when King Artaxerxes uttered an oral command to Mordecai and Esther, until the resurrection of Jesus Christ, which was also on the 16th of Nisan. Accordingly, the middle of this week will be in the fall.

    We are well aware that there are 7 feasts of the Lord, 3 of which have already taken place at the time of the First Coming of Jesus Christ: Passover, Unleavened bread and the First Sheaf. The Feast of Pentecost was realized in the Church.

    Remained unfulfilled 3 feasts of the Lord: Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur and Sukkot. On Rosh Hashanah, the consecration of the altar of the Third Temple should begin, on Yom Kippur the Eastern gate should be closed, where the elect from the four winds will enter and the consecration of the altar will be completed. From the 11th day of the month of Tishrei, the Lord God will take possession of his House, and the kingdom of the world will become the kingdom of the Lord.

    So, having set the date on the 11th day of the Tishrei month on the time scale, corresponding to the date of the 7th trumpet of the angel, we can determine the date of the 6th trumpet, because in Revelation the interval is indicated, which is equal to 1 hour, 1 day, 1 month and 1 year. This is an obvious point in the decision to build the Third Temple, because it is the Temple that will allow the elect to come together.

    Oh, this day, it turns out, is the day of 9 Av, when, according to the Jewish tradition, the Messiah should be born. It really is like a birth: when the leaders of Israel make the historic decision to build a Temple for the gathering of the elect. From that day on, we must consider the Tree of Life planted in the land of Israel. Yes, and this is the moment of the birth of a child by a woman, from the 12th chapter of Revelation.

    1335 days is the time interval between Tu B'Shvat and Simchat Torah, and this number of days does not happen for every year, but about once every three years. There is a hidden mystery in this, containing a hint of the Name of God, which is embodied in the tribes of Israel.

    The 2300 evenings and mornings puzzle also has a solution: after the meeting of the elect, they will be rejected by Christianity and not accepted by Judaism. Thus, both of these religions will be at the mercy of the abomination of desolation, rejecting God, who appeared in the Temple in the flesh of saints.

    But Judaism will reject both the new Temple with the saints and Jesus Christ, and the Christian religion will only be against this Temple and those who appear there on behalf of God. "Evening" is Jesus Christ, who died in the evening, and "morning" is the beginning of the Day of the Lord, which will last 1000 years, that is, people who will appear as the chosen ones is the "morning sacrifice".

    So, the Third Temple will not be a place for the "abomination of desolation", but on the contrary, after the exodus of the elect from the denominations of Christianity, those who remain will manifest this abomination, rejecting God who appeared in this Temple.

    The summation of evenings and mornings will initially overlap in Judaism and Christianity, but after the repentance of Judaism, which will come with the 6th vial of God's wrath, only the summation of mornings will remain for the unrepentant Christian religion.

    Since the prophecy of Daniel indicates to us the number of days of the abomination of desolation for the Christian religion, 1290, we can determine the moment of repentance of Judaism: the 17th day of the month Tammuz.

    Naturally, the kingdom of the beast by that time should have already become gloomy, so the period of 42 months should end a little earlier, with the 5th vial of anger. Considering the lunar months, from new moon to new moon, we determine the beginning of the beast's omnipotence: Christmas and at the same time the 7th day of Hanukkah. Both of these holidays are loved by people, but they are completely far from the Lord's feasts.

    Even more significant is the coincidence of the moment when the decision to build the Temple will be made, with the expiration of a time period of 3444 years and 4 months after the completion of the crossing of the Jordan by the Israelites under the leadership of Joshua. This period of time is precisely determined by the "voices of the seven thunders", which made it possible to calculate the sequence of the jubilees of Israel.

    For your reference, the diagram shows the period of the prophecy of the two witnesses, who are the two olives from the 11th chapter of Romans. The time of the beginning of the prophecy of the first "olive tree" corresponds to the construction of the 2nd Temple. The time of the end of the prophecy of the second "olive" corresponds to the second earthquake, which was ignored by a dead religion, in which there are no prophets.

    390 Sabbath years from the disappearance of Ephraim (Northern Kingdom) to the 70th jubilee of Israel. 40 jubilees from Jesus' death to 70th jubilee of Israel. The expiration of these periods, when the prophet Ezekiel was bound by the bonds (chapter 4), shows in Rosh Hashanah 2008, when 3 and 1/2 years elapsed after Passover 2005, when two witnesses died. In Rosh Hashanah there was a record in history drop in the Dow Jones index, by 777 points, that is, a movement towards the collapse of the existing world began, the power of God began to push us towards the implementation of the Third Temple and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

    Of course, we would like to know the exact time of the 1st seal. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to find any clues in Scripture for this. Presumably, before the beginning of the Saturday year (2021/2022), the first four seals should be removed: inception of the idea of the Temple as a meeting place for the elect; the sword of God's word directed against the fellows; an abundance of spirit and joy with a deficiency of the strengthening Word; wolves in sheep's clothing, working miracles to seduce, if possible, the elect.

    I drew this scheme as a cheat sheet to help students of the Scripture. This can help us navigate during the Judgment, but it cannot replace the exam that we will all take before the Lord God.
     
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    I am advocating that Russia and the USA should cooperate and encourage Israel and the Islamic nations to come together on the win - win - win - win - win project of turning deserts green. How would a time of possible cooperation between Russia, the USA, Israel and the Islamic world fit in with your understanding of the last seven years or decade or so before a major fulfillment of prophesied events?


    After the Abraham Peace Accord turn deserts green...




     
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    Could the answer to this seeming contradiction be in the death of a human last day Moshiach ben Ephrayim as many Jewish scholars teach?

    Could the person Moshiach ben Yosef or Ephrayim that Jews are expecting correspond to the final Elijah that Christians look forward to?

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101747/jewish/Appendix-II.htm

    The Elijah predicted in the Roman Catholic Bible sure does have massive To Do List ahead of him.


    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm

     
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    People ignore the existence of the spirit. Every person has a spirit. Spirit is like an electromagnetic field, which is invisible, but it is capable of influencing objects and even transmitting certain information. Each of us lives in a superposition of spirits. If the savage hunters felt the spirits, felt their presence, then the modern urban man is deafened by his own noise, the noise from the TV, and he is deaf to hear something from God. If each person stopped his own noise, the noise of his machine tool, his car, turned off the TV forever, then after a while the feeling of the spiritual world could return to him. If a person tuned his spiritual receiver to receive God's spirit, then he could reach agreement with the rhythms of nature and no grandiose projects would be required. Politics today occupies a completely inappropriate place in human consciousness. In fact, we don't need a state at all. The tribes of Israel lived without a state for many centuries, until the level of their sins reached the level that they asked God for a king for themselves.

    I would like to return to the level when we hear God and we do not need an earthly king or president. But when Christians try to improve the earthly state, they will invariably get the same result: the Antichrist is at the head of their state.

    Dennis, instead of any project to improve the climate, we need a global transmitter of the Spirit in the form of the Temple and the City. If we have a Temple, then we will get the City of Saints, there will be a lot of spirit, even people with a very weak receiver will be able to accept God's spirit, they will tune their lives according to God and then the results of our work will not repeat the result of Sisyphus.
     
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    I have to admit that your reply is brilliant and reminds me of what was shown about the year 2185 to former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm.


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    The key point for the beginning of the process of God's Judgment over religions, allegorically described in Revelation, is the inception of the idea of the Third Temple as a meeting place for the elect from the four winds in order to demonstrate to all people the existence and earthly presence of the Lord God. This starting point is represented in Revelation in the form of a rider on a white horse. There are no random elements in the books of Scripture, the details in the description of the first horseman from Revelation refer us to the book of the prophet Zechariah:

    When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
    And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.


    (Zechariah 9:13,14)

    It says here that the Jews will be the trigger for Christians (Ephraim) who will bring about a significant event visible to all, the "lightning" of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The construction of the Temple depends on the Jews, the gathering of the elect depends on the Christians. The widespread interpretation of the first horseman as the Antichrist is false. In the next text of Revelation, we see that the Lord sits on this white horse:

    And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Revelation 19:11)

    Just as with the First Coming of Jesus Christ, God created an element of surprise: events will occur contrary to the established tradition of interpreting the Scriptures, contrary to the expectations of the majority.

    Therefore, the Antichrist will not sit in the new Temple, but on the contrary, in the hearts of people belonging to the Christian religion. After the exodus from the denominations of Christianity to the Third Temple of the elect, a certain leader will sit in the hearts of the remaining old religion, uniting them with his preaching in the wrong direction.

    The construction of the Third Temple does not imply that all Christians should participate in this building. The appearance of the elect at the Eastern Gate of the Temple on the days of the consecration of the altar also does not require the universal participation of Christians in this act. But the entire church of God will be measured by its attitude towards the elect, who will enter the East Gate of the Temple from Rosh Hashanah to the closing of the gate on Yom Kippur.

    After the unity of the elect is shown to the whole world, each person will have to decide on his choice: he sees God in these people who abandoned their affairs for the sake of fulfilling the Kingdom of God, or he sees God in those who will pray for the restoration and prosperity of the former world, the former political system focused on the acquisition of material wealth and the creation of a world system where prosperity does not depend on the righteousness of the person himself.

    So, we see these two poles, and they will first appear at the 6th and 7th seals. Some Christians will be afraid and will try to hide from God's wrath when they see signs of His approach. The other part, seeing the signs of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, will experience great joy. Such people will be able to recognize each other even in the street crowd. This mutual joy of ours will be the moment of the appearance of the one Church, the Bride of Christ: we will not need denominations. The subsequent construction of the Temple, the gathering there, first of the elect, and then the rest, "the woman fled into the wilderness", at the end of the 70th week of Daniel, will be a complete victory of Jesus Christ, because then in Israel, besides the Temple, the City of Yahweh Shammah will appear.
     
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    What we have is one man's interpretation of the 'Prophesies' in the book of Daniel. It is not in the ancient Jewish books under Nevi'im (prophecies) because it was written during the Greek rule over Palestine. It is a history of the Maccabean period in which the Jews threw out the Greek Seleucids.. I've seen many such 'interpretations' from the mind of men who all ignore the History of this period in favour of the Christian interpretation. The Jews knew what they were talking about when they wrote it. They were there - not 2000 years in the future.
     
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    And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days. (Daniel 8:26)

    Nowhere in history do we know the dates of any events that took place 1290 days and 2300 evenings and mornings. If no one can confirm this, based on the internal dates of Scripture, or on reliable historical evidence, then we cannot consider the prophecies that are indicated to us in the future tense as fulfilled.
     
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    2300 Mornings and evenings - Jewish term for half days. About the period that Epiphanes did in fact profane the sanctuary in Jerusalem. Kislew 15, 168, to Kislew 25,165 (I Macc. i. 57, iv. 52). The Tanakh was never written for Christians to read. It was written for the Jews. It was written at the time of the events. That Christianity uses it is due to the misuse by Gospel writers. Jesus, a Jewish preacher, did believe in the Tanakh implicitly. Not because he was THE son of god, but , as all Jews believed, he was A son of God (OT teachings). He believed the Tanakh because he had been brought up to believe it. From the age of 5 he had had to learn it every day until the age of 13. 'Teach a child in tne way it should go and it will not depart from those ways'. Indoctrination - as Christianity has used for 2000 years. Had Jesus the knowledge we have today he would have had a different view.

    I'm afraid your interpretation is one of many who go out on various tangents, ignoring the simple truth. This was a History of the Maccabean period written in Jewish language - pictorial and poetical - and meant for the Jews to read. And the death of the anointed was the death of Onias III- the anointed High Priest who was murdered by an enemy.
     
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    The prophecy about 1335 days from the 12th chapter of the book of the prophet Daniel tells us about the fruits of the Tree of Life, which, in accordance with the Law of Moses, can be eaten no earlier than in the 4th year after planting this Tree in the land of the Covenant. To fulfill this commandment, given to us in Leviticus 19:23-25, the Sages established Tu B'Shvat, a feast that is not in the Holy Scriptures.

    The age of the tree is determined as of the beginning of the year according to the civil calendar, the 1st day of Tishrei. For the fruits of the 4th year after planting the tree, a rule was introduced according to which, in the 4th year after planting the tree, in the fall (in Jerusalem, in a state of ritual purity), you can eat the fruits if the ovary of these fruits was formed after the 15th day of Shevat.

    Thus, the period of 1335 days corresponds to the interval between Tu B'Shvat and Simchat Torah of the 4th year after the planting of the tree, when the fruits of this tree are allowed.

    In the Hebrew calendar, a year can have a different length, so the period of 1335 days does not happen every year.

    Tu B'Shvat means "15th day of Shevat". "Tu" is "tet" and "vav", that is, 9 + 6 = 15, this is how numbers are written in Hebrew. Why 9 + 6, and not 10 + 5, as it would be normal in the usual decimal system? This is how the number 15 is written because of the superstition that forbids the use of the sacred Name of God, Tetragrammaton. Because 10 + 5 would be written as "iod" and "he", the first 2 letters of the Name.

    So, if we do not adhere to the Jewish tradition of the prohibition of the Name of God, then Tu bi-Shvat we will have Yah bi-Shvat, which can be translated as "Yah in the tribe (of Israel)", because "Shevat" is translated as "tribe".

    Now, to the 9 Beatitudes listed in the Gospel of Matthew, we have the 10th from the book of the prophet Daniel:

    Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
    (Daniel 12:12)

    This means that after reaching all the previous steps of the ascent to the heavenly Kingdom, when we have already achieved universal hatred towards us for the Name of Jesus Christ, after the construction of the Third Temple and the rapture of the Church that entered the Eastern gate, we have to go through a period of 1335 days before we we will receive the fruits we expect in this world.
     
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    How do you get 1150 days between Kislew 15, 168 and Kislew 25, 165? There are no 1150 days.
     
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    The length of a year in the Hebrew calendar can be 353, 354, 355, 383, 384, or 385 days. How from these numbers, plus 10 more days, can we collect the amount equal to 1150?

    384 + 384 + 354 + 10 = 1132
     
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    Todays Jewish calender is not the Calender used then which had an extra month every so often. Todays Jewish calender is from the Middle Ages. If you want to work out the sums according to that calender - good luck.

    Neither do we know what dating system was in use at the time. The Seleucids (Greeks) introduced a different dating system and this was often used in documents in the Maccabean period. And more widley.

    In any case if you're a Bible student you should know that dates, numbers etc are not completely reliable, and the Jewish way of writing and thinking is alien to ours. .How 800,000 Israelis fought 500,000 Judeans in the OT, which was more than the total population of Palestine is a mystery. And how 600,000 armed Hebrew men between the age of 20 and 50 - giving a population of around 2.5m Hebrews - left Egypt without a mention in Egyptian history, likewise. Half the population leave and no mention?

    My only reason for posting was to suggest that there are many different interpretations of Daniel as there are of the Book of Revelations. Personally I prefer the Essene Book of Revelation which uses the same images as John does - but was a lot earlier - and uses mother earth instead of Jesus.

    Your preliminary 'chart' includes references to the Law of Moses and the Exodus. It's generally accepted that there were no Patriarchs, no Exodus or invasion of Palestine by the Hebrews. Evidence is that the tribe of Israel were in Palestine long before the supposed exile. Why would anyone rescue a people from enslavement in Egypt and lead them to Palestine, a land ruled by Egypt for nearly a millennium?

    Good luck with your forum.
     
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    Thank!

    I know that in ancient times, during the time of the Temple, the beginning of the month was determined by the visible moon, and not by the astronomical new moon, as it is now. And the beginning of the year was determined in accordance with the readiness of barley for the harvest of the first sheaf of 16 Nisan. And even if we assume that at the time of the Seleucids the Jews had a solar calendar, it is still impossible to get 1150 days from the sum of the days of the solar year, 365 + 365 + 365 + 10 = 1105 days.

    I know about the interpretation that 1150 is from 15 to 25 Kislev of the 3rd year, according to the Maccabees, but I have never seen how they got such a result.

    I know that the number of Jews who left Egypt, according to Scripture, is absolutely incredible, because the total population of Egypt could not be more than 4 million. But we are considering different things: prophecies about the days, which are a prediction for our future, and just an estimate of the number of people who lived in antiquity. The first is relevant to us today, the second can only be of historical interest.

    I do not presume to judge the historical reliability of the events described in the Bible: there are also explicit allegories, for example, about the creation of the world, or the parable of the Great Flood. I am interested in the Bible as the word of God addressed to us, the word that builds our world, influencing our minds and hearts.

    Therefore, I proceed from the axiom that the Lord God has preserved for us in the Scriptures a sufficient amount of reliable data for our construction. Just like among the senseless DNA mutations, there is enough effective code to build our body.
     
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    Actually, there are 168 Temples around the world right now. Began in Kirtland Ohio in 1836 where Elijah the Prophet came to Joseph Smith, the first modern day Prophet. We have Temples. Just have to use our spirits to know this for a fact. :) With this, it's not important when the 2nd Coming happens. It will be as a thief in the night. It's important we are doing the work of the Lord and not working secret combinations with the devil making things worse in the world.
     
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    When I studied Revelations it gave me a headache and I rushed through it. I just do the best I can. There are so many things.
     
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    How can it be reliable data when it is based, as the diagram is, on things, and people who never existed. There are no such thing in the Bible as prophecies, or mention of Jesus. Christianity has simply taken things out of their context and misappropriated them.. There are so many things that Christians ignore, or do not know about the OT times and Hebrews ways of writing etc.

    From the Jewish Mishnah - the oldest authoritative postbiblical collection of oral Jewish laws. The early Jewish calendar

    At first the decision on when exactly one month ended and another began, and when a leap month was to be added, was in the hand of men. But in a gradual process spanning hundreds of years, a fixed system was devised, which we use to this day.


    According to the Mishnah (redacted 200 CE), during the time of the Second Temple, witnesses would come to the Temple and report that they had seen the new moon. They would be grilled by priests, who would decide whether a new month had in fact begun.


    If they decided it had, the priests would announce the new moon to the public.


    Thus they would decide the length of each month and whether an embolismic month was to be added to the year. When the Temple was destroyed by Titus in 70 CE, these functions were taken up by the rabbinic council, the Great Sanhedrin, and more specifically by a subcommittee of three of the Sanhedrin members that would meet on the 29th of every month and receive witnesses and come to decisions regarding the calendar.

    Almost every civilisation on earth has, or has had, similar forecasts for the future. All have a devastating end for the world. It is a fixation of all religions. Of course, the world will come to an end, probably by the hand of man or nature. Even the Jews have their own Armageddon forecast where all men will recognise their god - Jahweh.
    Jahweh, of course, was the son of El, the supreme God of old times. See the Ugarit Pantheon from which we learn that El gave Israel into the hands of Jahweh to control.
     
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    Yes, the length of the month was determined according to the results of observations, but at the same time it is absolutely impossible that the month was not 29 or 30 days, so in any case the length of the year was 353, 354, 355, 383, 384 or 385 days, just like now ... The period of 1150 days from Kislew 15, 168, to Kislew 25,165 cannot be realized under any circumstances of the calendar.

    The Jewish civilization, in contrast to the pagan ones, worshiped the true God, existing, and not a fictional one. Therefore, there is a fundamental difference between the expectation of receiving something from the lying spirits and from the One who is truthful.

    As you can see in the diagram above, some of the prophecies have already come true with amazing accuracy. For example, the resurrection of Jesus happened exactly with the prophecy the 69 weeks of Daniel. Likewise, 2 earthquakes of great strength marked the day of death of the "two witnesses" in 2005, after the expiration of 2520 years of their prophecy. Likewise, the prophecy of the bonds of Ezekiel, and the prophecy of three and a half days of "death" for two witnesses also came true in Rosh Hashanah 2008. A number of historical events have given us indications of the sequence of Israel's jubilees years. All these are too significant facts, so that we can ignore them and deny the fulfillment of the prophecies of Scripture.
     
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    Even minor Hebrew Scriptures not included in the canon have a prophetic meaning and sound in harmony with the Hebrew Bible and the Christian New Testament. For example, a Jewish book from among the non-canonical books of the Bible, the Book of Tobit, contains a prediction that Christianity will unsuccessfully try to absorb the Jews, but as a result everything will turn out the other way around: the Jews will swallow up the remainder of the Christians, after which they will regain the lost 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom.

    It is interesting that in this book it is actually predicted that the ancient symbol of Christianity will be a fish, according to the consonance of the Greek words "fish" - "ihtus" and the Greek phrase "J(esus) Ch(rist) - Theos". The restoration of the lost tribes of Israel in the book of Tobit is shown in the image of the return to the Jew of 10 talents of silver.

    What can modern Judaism say today about the problem of restoring Israel's lost tribes? What can the Christian religion say today about this? The two witnesses are dead and these religions can only make fantastic assumptions, while the restoration of the tribes of Israel will be carried out very simply and with the help of the social processes launched by the construction of the Third Temple.

    Since Ezekiel pointed out to us the exact place where the Third Temple will be built, and this place is free of extraneous structures, the construction of the Temple in accordance with the prophecy of the Bible is quite realistic, in contrast to the senseless attempts to restore the Second Temple on the ritually impure place of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

    How did it happen that in the prophecy of Ezekiel, written more than two and a half thousand years ago, exact measurements of a holy allotment are given, and in the geometric center of this rectangle is the mountain described in this prophecy with the ruins of the ancient altar built by Abraham? Ezekiel did not have the technical ability to measure distances of tens of kilometers, especially with an accuracy of tens of meters. But we repeated his measurements in Google Earth and in the very center of the drawn rectangle we found the ruins of an unknown altar.

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    Now we have to find next to this altar, about 120 meters to the west, the remains of a ram about 4000 years old and, possibly, the fragments of a bronze knife that Abraham used. Then we will receive confirmation of the altar "Jehovah-jireh" in the land of Moriah and on this place we will build the Third Temple in accordance with Ezekiel.
     
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    The Jews worshipped Yahweh after the Babylonian exile. Yahweh was a son of El. The Northern tribes worshipped El at Shiloh. but the Southern tribes Yahweh, in Jerusalem. When many of the people of the Northern tribes were taken by the Assyrians who then controlled the country, some of the remaining people were offered the chance to worship in Jerusalem. Much of the story of the Patriarchs is written in Babylon when the Babylonians took the Judeans captive. They took mainly the educated and left workers to keep the country running agriculturally. The Torah is written in Babylon by scribes of various 'sects'. Worshippers of Yahweh and El, and sections by priests. All have a distinctive style.

    Not really. The age of Pisces began in 1CE. What better than a fish.

    I agree that's the general opinion of Orthodox Jews.
    There was no Abraham etc. Not a sign anywhere except the Bible. The general consensus among modern Bible Students is that these stories are simply allegories. Many Jews believe the same. Around 50% of Jews no longer practise their religion - or as one joked - only the holidays. (Taken from Jewish sources)

    I could send you to several sites on the web with differing views and diagrams.

    There are no prophecies in the OT. Most of itis written as History - as with Daniel. There are no references to Jesus. Matthew and Lukes attempts at the Nativity story are nonsense given the Roman laws and Jewish rituals of the time. Likewise the nonsensical twisting of Jewish Scriptures to make Jesus divine. To do this they make the Bible unreadable and unbelievable. Matthew and Luke give us genealogies of Jesus stretching back to Abraham and Adam. Unfortunately they miss out the 11 generations which should have existed in Egypt. On the other hand perhaps they missed them because the Hebrews were never in Egypt. They put Jesus in Nazareth and Egypt at the same time. They can't agree on Josephs home town. Someone's wrong. Isaiah 53 is quoted by Christians as refering to Jesus, but there is no Chapter 53 in the original book. It was written as one book - chapters and verses added around 1500 years later. The 4th Suffering servant song starts in the now chapter 52. How can you trust the Bible for accuracy. As a wise man once said every 'prophecy' ever made will, given time, come true.

    I leave you to your contemplations.
     
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    So what year did Jesus die?
     
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    In the 32nd year.
     
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    So he was 38 when he died.
    There were 11 major earthquakes in 2005. Which ones killed the '2 witnesses?.
     
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    • Did you mean CE 32, -, or he was 32 when he died. He was born in BCE 6-5. Before Herod the Great died. Jewish belief was that a man reached his prime at the age of 30. This was the age at which Priests were allowed to practise in the Temple. Though Jesus was not a priest the same principle applied. He would start his ministry around CE 24 and it is believed he preached for 3 years. That means he died CE27-28.
     
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    I use certain criteria to classify this or that event as a global event. For earthquakes, I used the Wikipedia table of the largest earthquakes.

    On Christian Christmas 2004, the first earthquake of this magnitude occurred. On Christian Easter 2005, there was a second earthquake of this magnitude. What is the likelihood of coincidence of two strongest earthquakes with the two main holidays of the Christian religion? How often can such a coincidence happen?

    It would seem that at all times believers associated such events with the will of God. Especially if such earthquakes happened during the holidays. These earthquakes were to be considered God's signs on a global scale, given the magnitude of these earthquakes.

    But the Christian religion was silent. Are there no more prophets in Christianity? Yes, there is no Spirit of God in this religion.

    Therefore, I can take the 2nd earthquake as a formal sign that this 2nd witness has died.

    Wikipedia claims that there were 10 strong earthquakes in the 20th century, ranging in magnitude from 8.5 to 9.6.

    If we consider a coincidence with a given day of the holiday, a coincidence with an accuracy of ±1 day, then given that there are only 10 earthquakes of such strength in a century, the probability of one such coincidence in any arbitrary year is approximately 1/1200. For a pair of such coincidences, this probability will be on the order of 1/1440000.

    That is, two earthquakes of this magnitude could coincide with Christmas and Easter with an accuracy of ±1 day, once every 1.5 million years.

    There, in religion, they really all died - there was not a single religious figure, pastor, preacher or theologian who paid attention to this incredible coincidence of two earthquakes with two major Christian holidays.

    There was an additional sign on that Easter 2005: the Pope was dying in those days, and before his death he lost the ability to speak, so for the first time he had to refuse to participate in the Easter Mass.
     

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