The afterlife

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Understood!

    Math is predicting up to 26 dimensions. These particles could be what we are "seeing" of another of those other dimensions.
     
  2. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    You make it sound as if religion and science are at war with each other...

    That's hardly the case.
     
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    Precisely. He strikes me as being a fundamentalist Atheist from the few posts I have read. His fundamentalism blinds him from considering arguments that don't already coincide with his beliefs...

    Religion cannot be proven nor disproven. It can only be logically accepted on a faith basis.
     
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    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    That's still not "out of nothing" (aka ex-nihilo), though, as the 'perfect vacuum' already exists.
     
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    LOL!!!!!!!!!! A vacuum is another word for "nothing"!!!!!!!!! So you're right, -NOTHING already exists!!
     
  6. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    No. One is knowledge and fact based and the other is based on faith and superstition. But people do have the right to chose between fact and faith and if making that choice is to you being at war well opinion is opinion.
     
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    Science is simply a set of falsifiable theories. That's all science is.

    Facts are not "universal truths" nor are they "proofs". Facts are simply shorthand predicate. That's all facts are. They are useful for speeding up conversations, so that arguments don't need to be formed when something is already agreed upon.

    You're correct that religion is based on faith. Religion is simply an initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from it. That's all religion is. The difference between science and religion is that science moves beyond a circular argument while religion does not.

    It's not a choice between fact and faith. Once again, facts are not "universal truths" nor are they "proofs". They are shorthand predicate. Religion even makes use of facts. If you and I were to agree that "God exists", then that would be a fact. Since you and I don't agree on that, it is not a fact. Facts work similarly with any other grouping of people.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong!

    You and a billion other people could all believe that the moon is made of cheese.

    That is NOT a fact, it is an ERRONEOUS BELIEF!

    Facts are VERIFIABLE by others. Americans brought back rocks from the moon. Other nations have launched probes to the moon and can verify that it is made of rock.
     
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    Equivocation. That is not the "ex-nihilo" definition of 'nothing'... Natural laws are still in existence, for example, as are things such as time and energy. A vacuum is still a physical reality.
     
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    Yes, we all could hold such a belief.

    In your example, for me and the billion other people, it WOULD be a fact. Remember, a fact is simply shorthand predicate. It is not a universal truth nor a proof. -- Now, for you and I, it would NOT be a fact, since you disagree with me. The "fact" at that point reverts back to being an argument. That's how facts actually work.

    Correct. The theory that the moon is made of cheese has been falsified.

    Not what facts are; see above for what they actually are and how they actually work.

    Correct. The theory that the moon is made of cheese has been falsified.
     
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    I can't prove my religious views, and you can't prove your worldview, my point is the evidence makes my position more likely true than not.
     
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    You're correct up until this point.

    There is no "the" evidence; just evidence. And it doesn't actually make your position any more or less likely to be true. You simply believe that because you have taken a liking to a particular set of evidence. (ie, I could make your same argument right back at you, but in reverse)...
     
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    The moon is made of rock is a VERIFIABLE FACT!
     
  14. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    . Really? How then do you have the courage to cross a bridge, travel in an airplane or even do something simple like making toast in the morning?
     
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    What's scientific about any of them?
     
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    Most of the universe is made of rock? What else would astronomical bodies like satellites, planets, exoplanets blah blah be made of?:rolleyes:
     
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    Never heard of the gas giant planets?

    Never heard of comets made of ice?
     
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    That is why I struggle with religion. I research everything, looking for proof and facts. But religion requires you to have simple faith when there is no tangible fact or proof. I walk both sides of the line. I know the Universe was created by a higher God, force, but how?
     
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    You do not "Know", but hope....you are displaying the faith you claim to avoid.
     
  20. Dissily Mordentroge

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    What has that got to do with the discussion here?
     
  21. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Is it necessary the universe was even created?
     
  22. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Ask @cerberus since he brought it up.
     
  23. Dissily Mordentroge

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    OK. But next time a quote would be of assistance in figuring out what you’re commenting on.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would also appreciate the quotes as I have that member on ignore so it all becomes a bit disjointed.
     
  25. Derideo_Te

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    If I see what appears to be unquoted text I assume that it means a reply to someone on my ignore list.

    If I am interested I will use the "show ignored messages" on the bottom of the page to reveal the quotes.

    However my assumption is that they earned their one way trip to Cyberia for a reason which means that looking at what they have to say now is not worth the time and trouble so I just skip over posts that appear to be "unquoted".

    The quote from cerberus is on my post already so taking a second copy would defeat the purpose of the ignore function for those who do have him on ignore.
     
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