The answer to stopping mass murder by the diabolically disenchanted is?

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Do you believe new laws and bans are the answer to mass murder?

  1. Yes-more laws and bans have always been the answer!

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    5.6%
  2. No-the human heart/mind, despite laws or bans, is free to choose evil or good.

    11 vote(s)
    61.1%
  3. Decipher the specific cause(s) and a implent a definitive, corrective action plan.

    4 vote(s)
    22.2%
  4. I have absolutely no idea!

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
  5. I'll put my faith in our politicians to know what's best for me and mine!

    0 vote(s)
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  6. I'll put my faith in God and defend me and mine with my God-given and enumerated 2A right.

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  7. Get rid of all the laws presently not keeping us safe and write one that does and is constitutional.

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
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  1. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    American politicians want us to believe that they have the answer, every time (for decades) these horrific acts take place there is an immediate cry for bans and confiscation from the Democrats/Marxist/Socialist/Communist and other anti-Constitutionalists with a mindbent for control. Do we need more laws added to the multitude of restrictions already placed on the law-abiding American citizen's rights to keep and bear, to individually defend ourselves from the evil that free will allows to be chosen.

    Murder has been part of Mankind's history from the beginning. Mass murder has been around almost as long. Can it be legislated or banned into submission? Is it that we just haven't perfected the law, not unlike the Left's belief that communism and socialism just hasn't been properly implemented, yet?
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are increasingly more experts saying prescription drugs are playing a role in mass shootings,

    Pharmaceutical Murder – Mass Shootings Caused by Drugs!
    https://drsircus.com/general/pharmaceutical-murder-mass-shootings-caused-by-drugs/

    https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/medication-induced-violence/
     
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  3. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    How do you think it could be managed ?
     
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  4. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First by not falling prey to the feel good trap of let’s do something just to say we did. While the Governor of Ohio was addressing a crowd regarding the Dayton Ohio shooting, people were chanting do something-an exercise in futility.

    Let’s investigate the laws violated and the behavioral signs presented by the shooters, find the failing in those laws and lack of reporting of antisocial deeds and words to start.

    I think America’s immorality, declining social/cultural values and hostility towards God is a great part of the problem. There is not one answer but banning any citizen from possessing an object that they would never use in a crime is certainly not the answer.
     
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    Mass murder is a pretty small problem.

    29 people a day are killed by drunk drivers.
     
  6. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don’t think you can blame reduced observance of religion for this, but fragmentation of families and alienation of youth certainly does play a part, I believe.
     
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  7. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Statistically that is true but at the core those numbers represent individual lives. When you think of the individual life any number has to be significant.
     
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    They should smoke more weed to allow the would be killer to chillax...
     
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    True., it would be awesome if we could prevent all homocides.
     
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    i don't think you realize the role that religion has played in the formation of society. religion is far more than just a creation mythology, the defining of an omnipotent creator and the threat of some final judgement. the writings of every religion also contain a series of ethical teachings, contemplative exercises for dealing with our baser instincts and rules for interacting with society. the importance of family, the cornerstone of religious faith and modern society, is instilled in the faithful by these teachings. respect and personal responsibility are integral in these writings and are transferred to believers through their faith. our most fundamental laws are based on centuries of judeo-christian tradition and our society reflects those laws. as an atheist i must admit that religion is not the only path to a productive or enlightened outlook on life, but some path must be provided. people are, after all, merely animals and not all can be expected to live up to our highest ideals. most require some sort of road map and religion has been such an outline to lead millions toward a more productive life. it has provided the backdrop against which thousands of societies have risen and flourished.

    we now find religion under fire from every direction. it has been exploited and abused, denigrated and belittled, redefined and treed by the hounds of scientific orthodoxy. each time we bring religion down a notch, we call into question all that it has helped to build. the family, the law, even our own self-worth. we are slowly burning the road map without giving the people some other means of determining their path. it is no wonder they are becoming more and more prone to wandering from the course, traveling down blind alleys and even walking off of cliffs in the dark.
     
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    The less we rely on religion the more corrupt our nation will become

    John Lennon told us to imagine a world without religion..
    Well, look around....
    Bad schools
    Bad people
    Bad government

    Without religion things get worse.
     
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    Except - violent crime is lower now than it was during Reagan's Presidency. Back in the "good old days", women weren't allowed to vote, black people were crammed in the back of the bus, we had multiple recessions and a Great Depression - Two world wars, a holocaust, higher death rates from disease and cancer, higher unemployment ...

    It's not that the percentage of bad people is any greater, it's just that there are more people. The history of the world isn't
    all roses growing from people's asses just because of the advent of religion. The history of Europe was constant warfare for over 1,500 years - and that was when the vast majority of the populace was part of the Church. It's only been in the last 50 years that
    the threat of European war has decreased - and religious affiliation has dropped at the same time.
     
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    Do you suppose there is any correlation between Europe's peaceful 50 years and the United States of America standing guard?
     
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    If the hypothesis is that decreasing religiosity is the root cause of violence, then that would not be a factor, because religious affiliation has dropped both in the US and Europe over that time period.
     
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    religion is not the only answer. we merely need to provide an alternative to that path, one that leads along a similar route. it need not include things like the creation mythos or even the threat of final judgement, it need only be a rational path toward enlightenment. it is a void that must be filled. government can't do it, government is only capable of punishing our transgressions and promises nothing for moral action. intellect alone can't do it, though education is an integral part of it. the proper use of the marketplace may be a part of it as well. whatever we choose to take the place of religion needs to be strictly a private sector enterprise, a combination of disciplines that lead down an ethical philosophical path.

    the children need some shepherd aside from the violent hand of the state.
     
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    I agree with what you and Daniel said in spirite. But I'd also add. There is no enlightenment apart from Jesus.
     
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    I think Europe has secularized far more than the US in that time period but little mass shootings as does the US.
     
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    I'd say increased violence is directly related to people not caring about right from wrong. The same is true for all bad behavior.
     
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    Did the religious growth in Italy prevent 1,500 years of war culminating in the attacks of WWII? No.
    Religion has not prevented war.
     
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    So? They have a lot less freedom too.
    Which is vastly more valuable than safety
     
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    i think you confuse enlightenment with salvation, this was the promise of jesus. enlightenment is hard work, not just a blind faith in the god child. an ardent application to the christian path may lead one to enlightenment, but the flesh is often weak and the intellect often not up to the task.
     
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    So tell me how did that religious growth relate specifically to people living as justs asked?
     
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    If you mean "lot less freedom" in terms of gun access, yeah, I agree with you.
     
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    i think you have inadvertently hit upon the crux of the matter - freedom vs. security.
    religion is a choice. choice represents freedom.
    the state's only real tool is violence. to the ignorant mind, that violence equals security.
    some will always choose freedom and others will choose security. can you tell who is who?
     
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    But choosing security usually takes freedom away from other people rather than take responsibility for their own security.
     

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