The Arab Spring, Syrian and the Western Intervention

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  1. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    The problems here, are what people are willing to overlook, without becoming an apostate,
    And how much apostacy is enforced.
    Even today, Saudi Arabia has religious police,
    and they are in other countries as well.

    We have polls taken here in America, where over half of the Muslims, say apostates should be killed,
    and that is here, in America, what do you think it would be in an Islamic country.
     
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  2. stan1990

    stan1990 Active Member

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    And the talk about the war in the Koran is the same. It's symbolic and past ones.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    No it is not,
    It speaks of wars past, but also of future wars,

    This is one of the points of Islamic text that is criticized all the time.

    The bible is descriptive.
    The Qur'an and sunnah is prescriptive.


    Islam gives you orders to kill for today and tomorrow.
     
  4. stan1990

    stan1990 Active Member

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    You are wrong. The talk about the war in the Koran is the same. It's symbolic and past ones.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    You've obviously never read the Qur'an, or the sunnah,
    but it is written representing about 20 years of Muhammeds life,

    There was no war,
    They were raids on unarmed settlements, and they are not in the Qur'an.

    The orders are open-ended, that is for all time.
    They give orders for today and tomorrow.

    They must kill until all the world is for Allah.
    They have written orders from God to kill the non-believers.
    and they do it on a daily basis.
     
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    stan1990 Active Member

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    And you never read the Bible OT or NT
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    I read all of them.

    Been kind of a hobby for the last 40 or so years.
     
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    stan1990 Active Member

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    Good stuff
    And what did you read in the Bible about slaughtering pregnant woman and dashing their babies heads in the stone?
     
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    The jews wrote some of the nastiest stuff written.
    Comparable in detail to Islam's sunnah, However the sunnah has volumes on the stuff, not just a few verses.
    Islam is also graphic with tortures, something the Jews didn't expound upon.

    Also the Jews evolved and realize this stuff from 3000 years ago, is not kosher in the modern world, and do not follow it.
    You don't see them flying planes into buildings, burning people in cages,
    Stoning people for whatever reasons.

    Islam is open-ended and they follow the writings and commands, for today and tomorrow.
     
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    Let me tell you something, and I am trying to be honest with you. I do agree with you on some of the points you made about Islam and Judaism; however, you need to keep in mind that religion, in general, is an accelerator, catalyst of person own characters and attitudes. I will disagree with you on the Sunni and replace it with Wahhabi, they are British and then American alliance, they wage a war on Sunni Muslims. you don't agree with them, you are against them. Jewish until now still believe and apply their OT verses. Read not only history but even current events, did they declare Israel is a home for Jewish people only, an ethnic home for Jewish, Jewish nation-state law.
     
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    It's hard to convince a person, "Hey..It's a religion..It's not real.
    But many people are indoctrinated into these from birth.
    Some religions more than others.

    Some of the factors that make Islam dangerous are,
    The written text, and orders to kill everyone.
    Brainwashed from birth. Praying 5 times a day.
    If you pray to your car 5 times a day, you will brainwash yourself.
    Poverty, and the guy giving you a sandwich and a gun.

    The manipulation of the religion by the people in charge.

    A thousand years ago, the Christian leaders did this.
    Nobody had bibles, and even fewer could even read
     
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    These factors you talk about available in Christian and Judaism too including the brainwashing.
     
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    Yeah, but you have to look for it, Like Westboro Baptists, who are brainwashed nuts, but they are not killing anyone,

    Brainwashed and radical Christians are annoying.

    Brainwashed and radical Muslims kill people.
     
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    Heaven / Paradise
    Is Not A Democracy

    Democracy Is Not
    Heaven / Paradise.



    If only the West understood.
    Some places need "a strong man" style gov't.
    That's the way it is.
     
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    Brainwashed and radical Christians kill people too. What about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Vietnam war was of religious nature too.
     
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    Most people belong to a religion, however these were not religious wars.
     
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    I disagree with you. religion, geopolitics stand behind every war on this planet.
     
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    Like when the Catholics and Protestants did the same in Europe?
     
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    Similar, but the Catholic and protestant thing was not outright warfare as was in Muslim countries.
    Much in Europe was political, but religions defined the particular groups.
    I always thought that, but the Encyclopedia of war says differently.
     
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    The Encyclopedia of war isn't holy
     

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