The Baron of Hawaii

The case of the birth certificate is moving through the courts, albeit slowly. The latest ruling in a federal court guarantees the next step:

The ExParte Emergency Motion for Order to Show Cause and to Compel Attendance for Production of Documents that Taitz filed with the federal magistrate asked the court to demand Hawaii DOH head Loretta Fuddy appear in court to explain why she would not comply with the subpoena.

"Getting a federal judge to demand Fuddy's attendance at a show-cause hearing is a victory," Taitz said. "I will return to Hawaii on Sept. 14 and I expect then to be able to force the Hawaii DOH to turn over the relevant records as demanded by the subpoena."

Court tells Hawaii officials to explain Obama's birth records
'Show cause' hearing will determine why subpoena rejected
Posted: August 08, 2011
9:02 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=331517

Should you read the full article you’ll see that Hussein’s SS number is covered in detail. That aspect of the eligibility question is trouble for Hussein because acquiring a SS number illegally demands hands-on participation by the person getting the number; whereas, the case can be made that any illegal activity surrounding the birth certificate was carried out by Hussein’s stooges out of a sense of loyalty.

Certifigate reminds me of James Addison Reavis, The Baron of Arizona, who went to prison:

But government investigators, in a triumph of early forensic science, discovered that Reavis had forged his documents using modern inks that were not available centuries before. The land grant was rejected, and Reavis was sent to prison for perjury.

The title of Ron Polland’s e-book "Alias Barack Obama: The Greatest Identity Fraud in History.” is accurate. In the interest of full disclosure let me point out that Hussein took the “Greatest Identity Fraud” title away from Reavis. Hussein deserves the honor because The Baron of Arizona only wanted:

“. . . a huge swath of land in Arizona and New Mexico, including the city of Phoenix, and the rich mining districts of Globe, Clifton-Morenci, and Silver City.”

The Baron of Hawaii wants the entire country and probably the world, too.

Most importantly, the government had a vested interest in exposing Reavis. In Hussein’s case the government’s interest lies in doing nothing.

Finally, in another article the original fake Certificate of Live Birth is explained in great detail by the man who created it. This excerpt indicates that Hussein’s stooges went from the short-form forgery to the long-form forgery without missing a beat:

Exhibit 7 shows that as recently as April 7, only 20 days before the White House press conference releasing Obama's long-form birth certificate, a reader on HuffingtonPost.com was unknowingly urging others to send Polland's fake certificate to Donald Trump as evidence Obama had been born in Hawaii.

Moving from one forgery to another so easily indicates Hussein’s minions have no fear of prison. If The Baron of Arizona had some juice he never would have been brought to trial let alone convicted. I’ll chalk it up to Reavis’ having lived in a more innocent time.

'I created Obama's certification of birth'
White House links to deliberate forgery from Snopes.com, thinking it was real
Posted: August 09, 2011
8:36 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=331525

Here’s a synopsis of:

The Baron of Arizona​

In the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican war in 1848, Mexico ceded much of northern Mexico (all or parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah), and the U.S. guaranteed to honor existing property rights in the ceded territory.

United States courts struggled for the next few decades to determine which property rights were legitimately granted by Mexican or Spanish authorities, and which were just spurious land grabs.

The most famous case was brought by James Addison Reavis, who claimed to be the hereditary Baron of Arizona, and heir to an old Spanish land grant that made him the rightful owner of a huge swath of land in Arizona and New Mexico, including the city of Phoenix, and the rich mining districts of Globe, Clifton-Morenci, and Silver City.

He almost succeeded.

Reavis forged a phony land grant from the king of Spain to a nobleman named Peralta.

He then spent many years going through old archives in Spain and Mexico. He would smuggle papers out of the archives, alter a word or add a line referring to the land grant or to the Peralta family at the bottom of the page, then smuggle the papers back in.

As the final piece, he convinced a poor young half-Indian woman in San Bernardino, California, that she was the sole surviving member of the once-powerful Peraltas. By marrying her, Reavis claimed to be the legitimate Baron of Arizona.

He then went to Arizona, and began demanding payment from settlers, businesses, railroads, and mining companies, for squatting on his property.

Reavis’ claim came before the federal claims court in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and it appeared to most people that his claim was legitimate, and that the Baron and Baroness Peralta-Reavis were soon to become the wealthiest people in the nation.

But government investigators, in a triumph of early forensic science, discovered that Reavis had forged his documents using modern inks that were not available centuries before. The land grant was rejected, and Reavis was sent to prison for perjury.

http://www.miningswindles.com/html/the_baron_of_arizona.html

 

duplicate thread............http://www.politicalforum.com/other...-bc-served-hawaii-heath-dept.html#post4141495

this needs merged or moved to the proper forum.

 

Sucks to be Obamabot; have to police and squash every bit of news and information, don't we?

On the subject matter, the story is interesting, and the analogy is fascinating... good find

 

I hear this over and over again, but I don't get it.

How is having threads started in the right subforum "squashing" anything? In fact, it's giving them more attention and making them more likely to be found. If I put a thread in "Elections" about greenhouse gases, I'd be better served it the mods moved it to the environment forum.

The analogy is a massive red herring.

But that's what birthers are good at, isn't it? Argument from fallacy instead of evidence.

 

To Dutch: If the Baron of Arizona's case was in the courts today his detractors would be accused of spouting a conspiracy theory when they called him a crook.

 

"Getting a federal judge to demand Fuddy's attendance at a show-cause hearing" would certainly be "a victory."

Too bad Taitz didn't get that.

She got a hearing scheduled to consider her motion. She has to win that motion before Fuddy ever has to worry about a show cause order (which is, by the way, a very different thing). Fuddy is not even required to be at this hearing. And of course, if the Judge in DC grants the defendant's motion for summary judgment on the case itself, Taitz won't even get the hearing.

"I will return to Hawaii on Sept. 14 and I expect then to be able to force the Hawaii DOH to turn over the relevant records as demanded by the subpoena."

She has suffered from similar delusions before. Here, for example, is a video of her claiming that she had been granted discovery in another case and would have Obama out of office in 30 days:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGPo-HfbGgY"]Orly Taitz Claims She Can Have President Obama "Out Of Office In 30 Days" - YouTube[/ame]

That was 698 days ago.

 

By whom?

10 char

 

Reset your fallacy clocks, sane people.

It's now been 0 posts since a birther committed a logical fallacy.

 

To WongKimArk: His lawyers for starters. Not to mention easily manipulated fools who always attach themselves to the famous:

“Reavis’ claim came before the federal claims court in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and it appeared to most people that his claim was legitimate, . . .”.

What does “10 char” mean?

 

It is illogical and irrational to use examples of conspiracies or malfeasance that was discovered as "evidence" that another conspiracy lies uncovered.

The fact that Revis and people like Nixon get caught is evidence... to the rational person... of the fact that, the bigger the lie and the more noteworthy the person making it, the less likely it is to remain undiscovered.

 

This link to the confessed forger is not something that has to be in the Conspiracy section. Now the real conspiracy is to try to keep the American public uninformed and everyone is going along with the MSM's including Republicans and radio talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Makxsist Levin, Bill OSmily, the whole Fox News staff and all the rest who say they "Believe" that Obama was born in Hawaii. This is because they make millions having Obama as President by criticising him for profit. No matter how long it takes the truth will be common knoledge and we will all know how duped we were by the MSM. The misrable condition that Obama has brought us into will still be unrepairable.

 

"10 char" means that my reply was too short. Posts must be at least 10 characters long. So by adding the note "10 char" I meet the threshold.

That said... let's review what has actually happened in the 75+ Birther court cases. In not one case has any of the defendants lawyers argued that the case was merely a conspiracy theory. Instead they argued that the cases should be dismissed because of their failure to meet the threshold of Article III standing.

So... we are still left to ponder exactly who would have accused his detractors of being conspiracy theorists. Because "his lawyers" is a wrong answer.

You also mention "easily manipulated fools who always attach themselves to the famous." Please... name some of them for us that attached themselves to Reavis. Please?

 

You know if Pollarik or Polland or whatever name he is going by right now really wants this resolved he should turn himself into the FBI and make his confession to them.

This will accomplish two things.

a) He will be on official record- and will face jail time regardless. If he really forged the document, the FBI could easily investigate, and if he really forged it, he could be charged and tried- and Birthers dreams would all come true.

or b) the FBI will quickly determine he is just making it all up and he will be charged with making a false police report.

Come on Birthers- get Pollarik or Polland or whatever to go to the FBI and confess to them. I would be all for it.

I am so confident that Pollarik or Polland is indeed a fraud and didn't forge the Birth Certificate that we have seen that I will say up front- Polland will never, ever go to the FBI or Hawaii State Police and make that confession.

Never, ever.

Because it is easy to make such a claim on the internet- FBI and Hawaii 50 don't bother to pursue every loon on the internet, but not so easy to walk into an FBI office and make the claim.

 

I didn't "intend" to squash anything. a thread was created in the wrong forum, I simply pointed it out.

I never onces asked for it to be deleted. feel free to quote a post where I did.

 

To WongKimArk: Put it in context by starting with my response to Dutch in #5 permalink.

 

No. Stop tossing out red herring.

Either defend your assertions or admit that you cannot.

Please... name some of the "easily manipulated fools who always attach themselves to the famous" that attached themselves to Reavis.

 

To WongKimArk: Figure it out for yourself. I’m under no obligation to explain anything to clever little liberals who always end up demanding answers to inane questions because they are too stupid to defend their positions in their own words. Hell, you’re not bright enough to tip over a generalization! You want me to do it for you. I said what I had to say. You are free to do the same. If my clearly stated positions go over your head put me in your filter.

 

Translation: Oh (*)(*)(*)(*), I'm caught. Backpedal! Backpedal!

 

Oh, trust me. I have.

Let no irony go unsmelted.

Let the record reflect that after repeated, very simple requests, Flanders proves incapable of answering a single question asked.

Not a single one.

Buh-bye.

 

To WongKimArk: Allow me to set the record straight. In 11 years I’ve dealt with hundreds of idiots who believe demanding answers to questions is a legitimate debating technique. It was entertaining in the first 5 or six years because on rare occasions a lib might say something original. In recent years I’ve grown tired.

Now, let the record show that in those 11 years many non-liberals learned from my responses not to be fooled by liberals, half-wits, and blanks who have nothing to say; so they try to engage in Socratic elenchus in order to cover their stupidity.

Most of all, many who read my threads over the years came to understand why they should not respond to questions asked by Lefties who assume a prosecutorial attitude questioning a witness, or respond to questions by liberals who assume the role of teachers leading poor misguided students to the joys of socialism.

Were I not so tired of people like you, I would thank you for giving me yet another opportunity to show that liberals ask questions because they stupid, and like all stupid individuals they try to be clever.

 

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Allow me to set the record straight. Anybody who believes that refusing to answer questions is a legitimate debating technique has never legitimately debated. The "cross examination" is part of the rules almost every formal debate structure that exists. In any judged debate, the refusal to answer questions is a forfeit.

In this case, though, it appears to be pure cowardice masked behind a veneer of pedantic bravado.

The demonstration stands: You do not have answers to very simple questions asked.

It was already clear you were a blowhard. Now it is established that you are also a poltroon.

Ciao.

 

I could not have timed it better. The enclosed article and video shows how liberals answer questions.

Elected officials like Dirty Dick Durbin, the Democrat senator who likened US military people to Nazis, are supposed to answer questions because they seek to govern; whereas, posters on message boards are under no such obligation.

You can take this one to the bank: Dirty Dick will demand that conservatives answer his questions when they testify before any committee he happens to be on.

Did media cover up Sen. Durbin's confrontation with reporter? (VIDEO)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rr2cVIw6Bc&feature=player_embedded"]DURBIN DISSES REPORTER'S DOWNGRADE QUESTION - YouTube[/ame]

Chicago, August 11, 2011 – This week U.S. Senator Dick Durbin held a press conference with members of the mainstream media to talk about the downgrade crisis. But the Senator’s scripted storyline veered off-course when a conservative reporter – me – showed up to ask an embarrassing question. Namely, “Senator, you’ve blamed the tea party…but do you bear any responsibility for this downgrade crisis?”

What, you didn’t hear about this incident in the media? For those of you that need more proof that journalism is dead, read on.

Monday was another beautiful day for a mainstream media cover-up in Chicago. But it would not have been complete without a picnic-basket full of hypocrisy from our very own U.S. Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois.

You may remember Dick.

He’s the Senator that hysterically compared the treatment of the Gitmo detainees to Nazis, Soviet gulags, and Pol Pot. While calling for an end to “hateful” rhetoric, he’s the one who wrongfully pointed his crooked finger at the Tea Party Movement and Gov. Sarah Palin, blaming them for the Tucson massacre and the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Recently, he’s the one that, hypocritically, accused the Tea Party Republicans of “political extortion” in the debt ceiling debate.

While the markets were tanking – Durbin took some time out to have a press conference and dish to his friends in the Chicago media about the S&P downgrade of our nation’s sterling credit rating.

Given his history, I expected more of the same accusatory rhetoric about the tea party from Durbin. Since the report of the downgrade hit the newswires last Friday, members of Durbin’s party have been in full anti-tea party spin control.

“The fact of the matter is that this is essentially a tea party downgrade,” said former White House advisor David Axelrod on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” Sen. John Kerry must have received the same memo. “This is the tea party downgrade,” said Kerry on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

I went to Durbin’s press conference to set the record straight. My objective: some journalistic balance. Not only did Durbin refuse to answer the question but his cronies in the Chicago media went on the attack.

One of those crony journalists was Jim Anderson, news director for the Illinois Radio Network. You can hear him in the background telling Durbin, “He organizes tea party rallies." In media terms, that’s called being fair and impartial. That’s what a real journalist does.

I stood my ground and asked the question a number of times. “You’re not allowed to ask questions during a press conference,” bleated Anderson. “We are going to have you thrown out by the cops,” he said, running interference for Durbin. In addition to doing news for the Illinois Radio Network, Anderson apparently moonlights as an unpaid member of Dick Durbin’s staff.

A special agent was soon dispatched to have me escorted out of the room, where I, as press, had a right to be. At least, that’s what I read, once upon a time, in the U.S. Constitution.

I am an independent social journalist for the Washington Times Communities and contribute to the American Spectator, and Breitbart.com among others. No other blogger, freelance journalist, or other member of the media was asked to show their credentials at this event. In fact, the event was sponsored by City Club of Chicago and was open to media and the public.

This brings us to the eternal question: Who is media and who is not? Who gets to decide? Sen. Dick Durbin? His friends in the Chicago media? Are public officials accountable to the public? Do we have the right to question authority? Or must we just accept what they bestow upon us? Do we have the right to question the media? Or do we have to let the so-called “real” journalists impose their own idea of news? Of truth?

During my exchange with him, Sen. Durbin told (instructed) the media, “You guys aren’t going to cover this are you?” And the media…didn’t.

Is this collusion between a high-ranking member of the Democrat party and the supposedly unbiased mainstream media? Do I sympathize with the gripes of the Tea Party? Yes and yes.
The media and the Democrats accuse the tea party, conservatives, and Republicans in general of being “uncivil.” They compare us to terrorists “strapped with explosives” because we are trying to change Washington; because we want fairness in the media; because we are trying to put an end to corruption, fraud, and the redistribution of wealth that is considered “routine.” To an inside-the-beltway hack, to oppose the status quo - that must truly be “terrifying.”

Of course, I’ve been accused of being uncivil before. I’ve also been threatened by other journalists before. But this isn’t about civility; it’s about control.

The Democrats and their media cronies want to control the news and information. They want to control the political system and its system of punishments and rewards. This system is fundamentally anti-freedom and they – the powers that be - are “OK” with that.

I was held to a different standard because I write for conservative news outlets and Sen. Durbin didn’t like my question. The mainstream media are merely an adjunct to the Obama campaign and the Democrat National Committee. Not one of them reported this incident.

The economic crisis is not helped by a compliant, subservient media that tampers with news to help their candidates and causes. In the abscessed cavity of newsrooms around Chicago, this exchange and the remarks Sen. Durbin made to the media’s microphones exists. In Chicago, NBC, CBS, ABC, the Chicago Sun-Times, and every other news outlet, have shown their true colors. They aren't red, white, and blue.

And neither are Durbin’s.

Conservative satirist and commentator William J. Kelly is also a contributor to Breitbart.com and edits the Tea Party Reports for the Washington Times Communities. He is a native from Chicago's Southside.

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