The Bible. A problem with interpretation.

I've said all I am going to say if you are just going to ignore it.

 

I haven't ignored anything.

This issue covers a lot more than the scholars of one religion.

 

"One religion"? Christianity is just one religion. If Christian scholars aren't good enough for you I can't help you.

 

Your Projecting again. You are the one that has been whining - stomping your feet - name calling - "Liar Liar" - because of a statement you did not like - that Constantine inserted "homoousios" into the creed.

But - you got caught. It was you who was speaking falsehood .. according Eusebius as quoted in the Journal of Church History - a citation which substantiated my claim - verbatim.

So not me - Those Religious Scholars - the ones who do the peer review on the Journal articles.

and you are clearly having trouble dealing with this reality.

I recited the creed not to long ago - its a ritual - and only a rare adherent knows what they are saying - never mind the history. In fact you did not know the history of the creed that well either - as it turns out. Nor do you seem to have a good grasp on the various concepts that were in play at the time that word turned Jesus into God aka "The Father" - in a way not believed by earlier Christians.

Denial this reality "Thought avoidance - Thought Stopping" is what is driving your bizarre behavoir - triggering those embeded subconscious fears - that if you question - or disbelieve - some human interpretation of the tenets of some holy book" - the worst thing the mind can imagine will happen to you - Eternal Torture in the afterlife .. for ever and ever.

This reaction is common among the more fundamentalist adherents.

Implanting this fear into adherents is a sophisticated mind control technique that evolved over the millennia. Judaism doesn't have this.

Did they teach you about sophisticated mind control techniques in the Seminary ? Just Curious ..

 

How do they know what they're talking about? How does one know whether he is correct? How do YOU know that they're correct?

 

It seems that seminary is a worldly and world-centered diversion from spirituality then.

 

A true devotee of the Lord, who follows his teachings, does not address others as you do.

 

What a fruitcake.

A true devotee of the Lord keeps his own front porch clean instead of dictating to others the way you do.

Why is the religion forum in these places populated by crazies?

 

I realize that is what you see in the mirror

That's right - all these folks are crazy - but you are the normal one. When everyone around you seems crazy - perhaps it is not them

 

Unless you're in a nuthouse, then you know it's them and not you. Sorry, you people are just like every nutty layman I've ever met who thinks he knows everything and is the voice of God his own self, and if we would just listen to you we could reach true enlightenment. There's only one problem, though: as wonderful as you think you are, you're the only one who thinks so. Nobody has conferred an ordination on you, nobody has offered you a leadership position, and to make up for that you have to strut around on these forums telling everybody how wonderful you are. Typical.

I don't know what it is about laypeople that makes them think that they are all church big shots, because actual ministers know we are merely servants.

 

The fact you read the Nicene Creed in any service is irrelevant. I read Shakespeare's Sonnets which I enjoy. But they are irrelevant to real life. The Nicene Creed is still the work of men. It was an enforced Creed and those 5 disagreeing were ejected. Despite being invited many Western Bishops did not attend and there was dissent among those who did.

 

You would be the one to answer that. I didn't "dictate" anything to anyone, but you prance around declaring yourself to be the Wise Won.

 

You don't Know the Spirit. I can see you're the Main Fraud on the forum.

 

We've never asked for ordination. What is there in ordination that a layman cannot know by study? In fact, I go so far as to say we laymen can know more because we are not indoctrinated by any Church. We are free to consider the Bible and all its aspects of ancient history, its mythological beginnings, ancient culture etc. We are not stuck with accepting the Bible as being true - Gods word. It clearly isn't.

 

Yeah, I know. Church is just a moneymaking function. It's a way for the head honcho to make a living doing what he enjoys: preaching his views to an audience.

 

Project much?

It doesn't matter, it's a new year and I refuse to be shouted down by self appointed prophets and self ordained theologians. Want to preach to me? Do what I did, put the effort in, get ordained, and you'll find that you are being harassed by people just like you.

 

The difference is that ordination is an anointing. It's not enough to know, you have to understand. These people don't, they are too preoccupied with their petty arguments. It is ever thus.

And if you don't understand that, you do not have the Holy Spirit and arguing about this stuff is a waste of time.

 

An anointing with man made oil. The Jews do that, and did that long before Christianity. Just another thing Christianity has adopted from Judaism.

 

Ah, the most desperate and intellectually dishonest of all arguments: the "You can't understand unless you agree with me first" argument. As much as I disagreed with the clergy I was raised with, at least they never stooped so low.

 

"The Anointing" is not an event performed by man. And there are not several different kinds. I have experienced the Spiritual Anointing, so I know whereof I speak. You don't. That is very clear. When it happens it is unmistakable, it is real, it is undeniable, and it is private.

 

Yes, and then there is the Spiritual Oil which cannot be shown to another nor does it come from a bottle.

 

There are several sacraments passed on from servant to servant - from apostle to Bishop to Deacon to Priest throughout history by the laying on of hands. This is Biblical. I don't know where you got this "spiritual anointing" but I am reasonably sure it wasn't the Spirit of God. You sound like one of those arrogant Pentecostal types who claim to be able to speak on tounges and only mouth gibberish.

 

Which is the same argument you use.

 

You two need to try reading the Bible instead of arguing against it.

 

You are dictating to me. You are disparaging an honest to God ordained minister and all you are is a fake televangelist type. Do better.