Why would I acknowledge your claim without anything to support it? Especially, when you've consistently missed the mark in your previous posts! So the Greeks were already aware of atoms? AHEAD of the BIble???? Or, that the things seen are made of things that are not seen? Show me your evidence. I bet, whatever evidence you give, will, still, miss the mark. More likely, your Greek philosophers have also read the Torah! And, most likely.....the Torah was an influence! http://fts.edu/news-events/blog/doe...ave-its-antecedents-in-the-hebrew-scriptures/
No I have not missed the mark, you simply make it up,it appears to be standard debate tactic for Christians. And I posted a source but you ignored that as well! So you can see, I answered your questions, I provided a source and you missed the mark.
Thanks Margot,I am starting to see that, but why do they simply lie, when it is so easy to use the quote function to prove them liars?
I really wonder where these people come from, to not be aware that the Atom was suggested by the Greeks and that is where even the word comes from is incredible to me.
Well.....read my reply to you. And, you still have not given any sources to support what you claim. Show me an evidence that the Greeks never read the Torah, and that they were not influenced by the Torah (or Jewish views). You and I aren't moving on.....without you giving your evidence.
No I replied to your original post, that you have now edited it to include BS about the Torah shows you are a falsifier, you bear false witness. The source is there again you simply lie. http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/history/leucippus.html This is the source. But now you claim it is the Torah and not the bible so either way you have disproved your original assumption.
To anyone who finds this topic interesting, please, go to Reasons to Believe, or look up Hugh Ross. Hugh is my absolute favorite nerd. And let me tell you, dude is a nerd. My testimony, is similar to Hugh's. I do not believe in a necessary being because I found one in the bible. I am left to believe in the God of the bible because I can find in Him a necessary being.
I was talking about the Torah in another context. How do you know that ancient philosophers have not been influenced by it? I'm talking about the likely influence of the Torah! http://fts.edu/news-events/blog/doe...ave-its-antecedents-in-the-hebrew-scriptures/ But, I missed that source you gave. So I apologise for that. And yes, it does seems that Democitus was hypothesizing about atoms. However, it is curious to know that Democritus believed in the existence of souls. http://www.academia.edu/3196224/PHYSICAL_THEORIES_OF_THE_SOUL_DEMOCRITUS_EPICURUS_LUCRETIUS
Thank you I appreciate the apology and withdraw my accusation of lying. Most of the Greeks believed in the existence of a soul,in particular Socrates who died rather than tarnish what he thought of as his soul. It is highly likely that the Greeks were influenced by the Torah and many other ancient texts
Since this was brought up in the previous post about Matthew Maury, let's add it to the evidence being given: The Earth is Round Isaiah 40 22*It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, Pictures taken from space show the earth appears as a circle since it is round. Job 26 10*He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters, At the boundary of light and darkness. Horizon | Define Horizon at Dictionary.com Book of Isaiah ( written between 701 and 681 B.C.) https://www.gotquestions.org/Book-of-Job.html
Many of them were copies and the rest were the repeating of teachings handed down. They are not independently realized "truths". First, I don't see many "proven" claims in the bible. Certainly, as in all religions, there are many references to historical events that were known, like the "flood" that was in all probability a local event and not world wide, as well as actual people by name. To say the bible is not a record of historical events is not to say that it is entirely comprised of fantasies or myths. All religious writers of all religions have "anchored" their stories to actual data. It's the conclusions and explanations that entail fantasy.
LOL!!!! Atoms are visible. We have electron microscopes now. If you had any basic, most elementary knowledge of other religions, you might know that Hinduism and Buddhism and the mystical sects of EVERY religion including Christianity tell of the manifested, material world being our "corrupted" perception of the spiritual, non-material reality. Mystics like Saint John of the Cross, Meister Eckhart, Julian of Norwich, Saint Catherine of Sienna, Saint Catherine of Genoa, and Mme. Jeanne Guyon and many, many others wrote of this. But if one only pays attention to current popular "evangelical Christians", the rich history of the religion will remain unknown. Such a person will entirely fail to grasp the spiritual nature of Christianity and the actual spiritual and mystical meaning of bible passages like 2nd Corinthians 4:18 - "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal" and... 1 John 2:15-16 "If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. "FOR ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD; the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life; IS NOT OF THE FATHER but is of the world." And the one you referenced: Hebrews 11:3 - "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were NOT made of things which are visible." Also... Hebrews 12:27 - "And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain." (Name something in this world of matter that cannot be shaken.) And much like Hebrews 11:3, we have Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made" And... Ecclesiastes 3:14 - 15 "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be added to it, nor any thing taken from it" (Name ANYTHING in this world that is "for ever" and is not subject to change.) Hence, you entirely miss the meaning and purpose of your bible, which is one of spiritual things, -not the things of this world. And so there can be no spiritual understanding of: Isaiah 2:22 - "Sever yourselves from such a man, whose breath is in his nostrils; for of what account is he?" (Compare to Job 27:3) Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear. and... Romans 2:29 - "but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter" Probably, most importantly, there can be no spiritual understanding of : Matthew 16:25 - "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Of course all modern Christians have explanations of all these things, but while they claim those explanations to be "spiritual", they are firmly tied to this world.
That's a cute way of avoiding what you can't answer. YOU were the one who said "Things are made of something not visible!" My post addressed that in the first paragraph and you're apparently stumped. And the remainder of my post further supported the question you raised. But I guess it is all a mystery to you. So you slither away instead of owning up to the situation.
Yeah, I read the first paragraph too. That's why I responded the way I did. I'll repeat.....you missed the purpose of this thread. Btw, did you miss my "disclaimer?" Read the OP again. Let me know if you need help.
There's almost nothing in common between Christianity and all other religions. What Christianity emphasizes are human witnessing and testimonies and how they should be preached and to be believed with faith. That's why the prophets are called the chosen witnesses of God, they are called so by the Bible itself. Human witnessing/testimonies --> preaching --> believe with faith This godly process is the only way how humans get to a truth of any kind, even in terms of a scientific truth. That's why you know for a fact that black holes exist without any evidence presented to you. That's how 99.99% humans who know for a fact that black holes exist but don't actually have the evidence.
Black holes and their evidence are a different subject that we can discuss, but there are great similarities between the testimony found in the bible and in Buddhist writings. In fact, the Buddhist approach is much more relevant to us since it basically says to look deep within and notice what you find. The bible, OTOH, says "the kingdom of God is within you" and then asks you to believe the testimonies of others on it. Regarding the claims in the NT, there are great similarities in Hinduism. Many of the bible remarks by and about Jesus are reflected by very similar comments in the Bhagavad Gita. So your claim of "almost nothing in common" is not valid.
Of what is that to be considered evidence? Humans knew the earth was round a very long time ago. Is that your point?
