The Bible says abortion is NOT murder.

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Bible is VERY clear on this issue.

    The fetus in the womb is not a person. And the killing of that fetus in a woman's womb is not murder.

    How do we know this?

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21&version=NIV

    In Exodus 21:22, it says that if two men are fighting and one accidentally strikes a pregnant woman and causes her to miscarry, the husband of that woman shall suggest a fine and a judge will impose the fine. But if the two men fighting cause further injuries to other people, the rules of "Life for a Life, hand for a hand, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" shall be imposed.

    This clearly means that the Bible did NOT consider the taking of this unborn life to be the taking of life.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5:11-31

    In Numbers 5:11, it says that if a wife is accused of being unfaithful and becoming pregnant by another man, they should go to a Priest and the Priest will cast a spell with water on the woman that will NOT harm her if she has not been unfaithful, but WILL cause the woman to miscarry if she is pregnant by another man.

    This clearly means that the Bible views the death of the fetus as punishment to the unfaithful woman, not as the illegal murder of an unborn child.

    These two passages make it clear that the Bible did not see an unborn fetus as a person, deserving of the rights of a person.
     
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    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    The Bible and Jesus make it painfully clear that Slavery was cool. War was cool, too. What about that?

    Why can't we abort the "Homeless" and other Welfare Pukes? They aren't viable outside the womb, either.

    A sentient being is a sentient being, whether in-utero or not. To end the life of a sentient being without due process for purposes of personal gain is murder, plain and simple.
     
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    Not a brain dead human....which is what a non viable fetus is
     
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    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder

    It seems dictionary.com has a different definition than yours. I'll take their's.
     
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    Again, if it's murder why haven't you called the police?

    BTW, lots of those homeless and "welfare pukes" are children....why do care about them BEFORE they're born but not after?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me remind you of this.

    You can talk all day long about laws all over the world.

    But what the Jews reported they did when they made the laws is not relevant to the issue of the unborn child today.

    The Bible is an excellent report of the ancient days. But many Democrats think law is a never stable thing to begin with. They believe the constitution is there to change at will.

     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    fetuses are not sentient.

    and are you suggesting chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans, dolphins, dogs, should have rights?
     
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    CKW Well-Known Member

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    . Neither are newborns sentient then. And human beings have right to life. To kill our off-spring, our children at will....is really disgusting and wrong.

    We aren't God.
     
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    Thankfully the standard is viability
     
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    CKW Well-Known Member

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    So far.

    The Romans killed their newborns at will...
    And they laughed at the Egyptians that strived to save the Roman Newborns left on rubbish dumps to die.

    Someone who decides to kill a 4 month gestation...3 month gestation...developing child is no better then someone who opts to flush a newborn down a toilet.
     
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    Uh ....no. A non viable fetus is brain dead. Flush away
     
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    A fetus is non viable because it's lungs aren't developed. Has nothing to do with the brain. Perhaps when you have the experience of a child you will be less.....unaware of what a a child is. Perhaps life experience will educate you.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Well I have two children and one is grown now and teaching children. I have spent my life's work helping children. I know more about them than you ever will
     
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    That's a shame. I suppose your children are not that important. It wouldn't have bothered you to destroy him or her before you bonded.

    Pretty selfish right? You are worthy to live only if it benefits me?
     
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    yes, its disgusting to kill persons.

    fetuses are not persons
     
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    I guess you don't have a daughter....or hate her. I guess her hopes and dreams mean nothing to you. You could care less what happens to her....even if she dies.

    I can do this all day
     
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    I didn't say "persons". Romans killed newborns because they were not legally "persons". I said it is disgusting to kill our off-spring. Our children.
     
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    Then don't do that
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what if the fetus is going to be horribly deformed or diseased?
     
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    I was that daughter. And almost had an abortion. Your child deserves life. A woman deserves life. A woman or man does not have a right to destroy an individual in order to achieve life goals. That is disgusting.
    Yep, tell your children that the reason they lived is because you could still fulfill your dreams if you let them live. Very loving.
     
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    Ron.....if you shouldn't kill a new born that's deformed, then you shouldn't kill a fetus. Its just easier to kill when you haven't seen it, held it, cooed to it. Doesn't make it right.
     
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    We can make this as personal as you like. My children got life. And anytime if my wife had wanted an abortion that would be fine with me too. Because no children are involved in a legal abortion. My wife gets to control her body. And there is not a dam thing you will ever be able to do about that
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ending the life of a fetus that is horribly deformed or diseased, is an act of kindness and generosity.

    someday you'll understand
     
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    Sure it is personal , and I've been where you are at. It took my second un-planned pregnancy and birth to realize that if I killed a baby in utero....that this child could never come back. It was dead. My son would be killed.
    So perhaps you can look your children in the eye and say "while you were in utero, I could have killed your personality, talents, intelligence and future and never allowed your blond hair to grow. And thats fine . Cause I would have replaced you with another child after times were easier. I dunno...I guess that is where you are at.
     
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    Sure....and alleviates a lot of responsibility from the parents....
     

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