The Bible says abortion is NOT murder.

It is a child. And has a mother and father. Just like a newborn.

 

Nah flush it out if you want. Conservatives only care about the fetus....babies cost money

 

My daughters survived, one holds a university degree and the youngest soon will have hers. Both eat very well indeed.

 

Potatoes are nice for breakfast

 

Did you try?

 

SO?

That doesn't mean women should lose the right to their own bodies.

 

OKEY DOKEY, IF it's a "child" then there should be no problem taking it out of the woman it's in and letting someone else "grow" it

 

Abortions in the USA today are at PRE legalization levels.

 

Muslims are against abortion.

But they are allowed to kill their children, and their children's, children, after they are born.

 

Oh I see, abortion is only about you. What if your daughter god forbid was raped, would you tell her not to have the abortion she wants?

 

Yes, so many Muslims do that here! Well I guess the Bible says that women must be subservient to their men so it should be up to the man to decide. Women should not have reproductive freedom or any freedoms for that matter. (Sarcasm alert)

 

As I repeat constantly, “life begins at conception and ends at birth, “for those people

 

I’m sure you probably call an acorn an oak tree .... because you can’t differentiate between something that is a ZEF and something that is a child, you call it a child because you want to get emotional mileage. Why not call it what it is? So you think women should breed so people looking for newborns can take their unwanted babies
Yes sex is not without consequence and one consequence is making the decision to go through the agony of childbirth and 18 years of raising it or going through the pain of an abortion. It’s not for you to decide. For some of us sex is more than just breeding human life...it’s kinda fun!

 

Then as I have said remove this 1/10 of 1 ounce “child” and tell me it’s just like a newborn. I have no problem with doing that

 

This enters the same realm of what if your daughter needs money, i speak against theft or robbery so you reply suppose she is broke and must have food.

Abortion is about the unborn. While some argue no rights at all for the life in the mother, I feel like I am in a sense re-arguing the Dred Scott v Sanford case where one argued a slave is human.

When others persist in following the Nazi model, believe me, i have doubts a thing I say matters to them.

Rape is a crime. I do not sanction crimes. She is the victim and victims need a way to be whole if possible.

It hints if rape is the exception we both can agree that she can legally get one.

 

I had no plan to enter a topic that has the above form of argument involved but will try to condense how I see this.

First if nobody will defend life, somebody feels they must stand up to defend it, others think as they did about slaves and do not defend life.

Those who favor the zygote form of explanation fail to mention what she is told prior to her abortion. That she is carrying a baby. Women do not simply show up for abortions. They knew they have a life in them. They make the cold hearted decision to end that life.

How do i know it is life? My wives bore with me 2 daughters. I cringe to think i might have played a role in not having either daughter in my life. They are not seen by me as my burden. Both daughters have sons. i have grandsons due to not killing either of my two girls in the womb.

 

Your mother refused to abort you. The shame is that some do not appreciate her effort to save you.

 

this thread is not the place for OCD attacks upon Muslims

 

no, it is God's will to terminate the fetus if the mother was sinful.

this is no accident

 

No, that would be the Anti-Choice people who insist that pregnancy is a cake walk, has NO effect on a woman's body, has no risks and causes women nothing more than some "discomfort".


THOSE are the people who do NOT appreciate what women go through to gestate and deliver a baby...

 

Why should she get an abortion if she’s raped?Would you kill a toddler of a rapist? It isn’t about the “life of the fetus” it’s about denying a woman reproductive freedom

 

Her freedom is not the issue. The mother who has a 5 and a 7 year old finds herself destitute and no home. This does not trigger her a right to kill the two children.

 

Pro-choicers aren't exactly sure where a woman's choice begins and where it ends.

 

I think your problem is but you don’t know the difference between a zygote and a baby. As zygote is a “potential” baby it is no more a baby then an acorn is a tree
A woman is not ending a life she is just not letting it develop .
Do you miss the son you might have had if you impregnated your wife the day before.. If I married my first boyfriend I would not have had my granddaughters either but then I wouldn’t miss what I don’t know. You don’t miss what never existed.

 

Thanks for telling us what we don’t know. Will you mansplain it to us? I know where a woman’s choice begins in where it ends but you want to tell me where it begins and where it ends and it ain’t going to happen until you get pregnant