No scientists were not forced to admit any such thing. They don’t know the answers so to people like you logic is to create an invisible man in the sky who goes poof
Nope! Science draws conclusions from the available facts when all facts are not ascertainable. This is why a hypothesis is an educated GUESS. You are simply mistaken.
I am not surprised that you think laws protecting the killing of another are good laws. That is reasonable and, in fact, the way things worked prior to Roe V Wade. Not only did I not say that but I don't think it either. The human reproductive system exists because nature made it that way. That is true but I think few if any of them involve killing someone. What is truly ridiculous is your misunderstanding of what a right is. Rights are natural. They involve nobody else having to give anything up to exercise them. Freedom of speech can be a right because it doesn't cost anybody anything. Abortion costs a life. It cannot be a right. It can only be a privilege. People have no right to kill fetuses. They have the privilege of doing it by law. Of course not, nor did I say that. Putting words in my mouth is very ineffective, particularly with me. Again a misunderstanding of rights. They don't apply to those who cannot be aware of them. A fetus is innocent and helpless. It cannot choose to do anything. Blaming it for something is beyond ridiculous. If a woman's life can be saved by an abortion then the abortion is fine with me. We're going to lose a life. Which one can be a choice and that suits me. Childbirth involves some pain. It is way it works. Killing someone to prevent future pain is simply unacceptable to me. I suppose you can call my version of god nature or the laws of physics. They aren't carved in stone. They are known through scientific observation and experimentation. It has nothing to do with how I want things to be. It is how things are. So charge fetuses with assault if it makes you happy. It has nothing to do with the discussion. I see. You can write what you like but I can't. Fortunately few pregnancies carry the risk of death. Stop using the term right. You don't understand it. Yes it is true. What do you hope to gain from being rude and aggressive? Can't you simply discuss things without them? Sorry you didn't understand what I said. I don't have the energy or motivation to explain them more fully. Best of luck to you. I NEVER said I was afraid of the consequences of childbirth....see, instead of brining up a fact YOU chose to make something up...as you have done all along. That was a load of gibberish but the law also does not view a fetus as A human being with rights....and that's why they get aborted [/QUOTE]
Subjective? Yes indeed. Pointless to society? Very wrong. Morality the major check on societal chaos. I would repond to your comment about my morality if I thought you understood what my morality is. But you don't.
That's just an excuse ...saying their actions are immoral, not the people....so moral people can commit immoral acts....how asinine..
You just need to keep up with insults and rudeness don't you? Ask again with proper manners and I will answer you. You appear to need some parental guidance.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I am not surprised that you think laws protecting women's right to their own bodies are bad laws. WHERE did I say that? NO WHERE. That was in response to :Fine, IF they do NOT infringe on anyone else's life... And I faill to see the correlation. You said it again in the second sentence: No, women are humans and not , as you seem to think, livestock meant for breeding. Women have NO obligation to reproduce That was in response to :Nature does all kinds of stuff and humans can battle it , change it, and stay safe from it.."" And does not relate to it. No one is killed in abortion. Natural rights, especially your interpretation of them, do not count. The law counts and the ;aw says people have a right to their own bodies....to protect them from self-righteous old busy bodies who want to take them away. That was in response to a QUESTON: ""Do you actually believe that if a person needs a blood transfusion or a new heart they can FORCE you to give them yours??? You call that "nature".????"" If you believe that a woman must be forced to gestate then it follows that if women have no right to their own bodies NO ONE should...and the strongest or richest can FORCE someone else to use their body to sustain the other's life THANK YOU FOR ADMITTING FETUSES HAVE NO RIGHTS...it's a step forward. But yet you are confused since you seem to think that the fetus, who has no rights , CAN force another to use their body to sustain the fetus's life!!! WHO IS blaming it for anything????????? . Says one WHO WILL NEVER BE PREGNANT! LOL!!! And one who obviously would let someone beat them to death without fighting back !!!!!!! NO, it's how you perceive them to be to fit your ideas on how things should be. You are correct....as long as the fetus has no rights and abortion is NOT banned there is no need for a "selfdefense" defense. NO, ALL pregnancies carry the RISK of death...it might not matter to one who will never be pregnant but it matters to those who may be. NO, you NEVER answered : ""ALL pregnancies carry the risk of death....NO one has the right to FORCE another person to risk their life for them." So you think people have a right to FORCE another person to risk their life for them ...because it's nature???? WTF!!!! I know, I know, presenting facts you can't address is "rude and aggressive".. Wait until more women realize what abortion bans do to their rights...then you'll see a whole lot of "rude and aggressive".. I NEVER said I was afraid of the consequences of childbirth....see, instead of brining up a fact YOU chose to make something up...as you have done all along. That was a load of gibberish but the law also does not view a fetus as A human being with rights....and that's why they get aborted[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] It’s really a waste of time talking to a person Who cannot differentiate between a potential person and a born person. A person who believes that a ZEF is the same as a toddler.I also find it typical of anti-choice people who believe that a woman complains just about pregnancy and the agony of childbirth. It is typical because their concern ends there...they don’t acknowledge it’s the next 18 years also. Because you choose to personify a zygote does not make it an adorable little toddler. Let me guess you’re a man without a uterus
Your morality seems to be denying women reproductive freedom and forcing them to breed against their will. I find that amoral
What scientific evidence is there that an invisible man went poof and everything started?I guess if you don’t know you can make up an hypothesis. I am sure eve was made out of Adams rib because it makes so much sense and of course it was written down with a bic pen . My hypothesis is that Adam was a rough draft so he created eve to correct all the mistakes (tongue in cheek)
It’s really a waste of time talking to a person Who cannot differentiate between a potential person and a born person. A person who believes that a ZEF is the same as a toddler.I also find it typical of anti-choice people who believe that a woman complains just about pregnancy and the agony of childbirth. It is typical because their concern ends there...they don’t acknowledge it’s the next 18 years also. Because you choose to personify a zygote does not make it an adorable little toddler. Let me guess you’re a man without a uterus[/QUOTE] I can distinguish a fetus from a born human. But I consider both of them human. It is your position that is illogical. If it is alive and not human, then what is it?
No that is not rape at all. Rape is non-consensual intercourse. Denying women reproductive freedom is forcing them to breed against their will. It could have been a consensual sex act but if a woman is not allowed to have an abortion she is being forced to have a child
I can distinguish a fetus from a born human. But I consider both of them human. It is your position that is illogical. If it is alive and not human, then what is it?[/QUOTE] If you believe that 01 10th of 1 ounce fetus is a child I suggest you remove it and tell me it is a human. If left in the woman it would eventually become a born human but it is not a human life until it is viable. A 1/10 of 1 ounce fetus is hardly alive and if you believe it is dress it and feed it
If you believe that 01 10th of 1 ounce fetus is a child I suggest you remove it and tell me it is a human. If left in the woman it would eventually become a born human but it is not a human life until it is viable. A 1/10 of 1 ounce fetus is hardly alive and if you believe it is dress it and feed it[/QUOTE] Yes, I understand we disagree.
UH DUHHHHHHHH, no forcing a woman to have sex is what rape is... Forcing a woman to gestate is what banning abortion does Notice: BOTH rape and banning abortions use FORCE against women. BOTH involve sexism, misogyny, a sick need to have power over women.
