The birther thread to end all birther threads

i havn't seen any evidence from either side. "hawaii says it's fine" i don't consider to be "evidence". expert testimony in the courtroom, that's coming soon, will be evidence.


it's obot sop, lead with intimidation.. watch how they meet new people at the door, befriend them, then shred them. luckily we have a long list of threads to reference over the past year. the other favorite thing is to say "no one is talking about it". lol

 

And that will be what you will be saying to your dieing day.

 

Your example is flawed, which, of course, is expected of Obamabots. The women who marries Iranian citizen have number of choices, if she does not want to become Iranian. One of the choices - not to marry. If she choses to marry, she's doing it with understanding that she'll become Iranian citizen; in other words, she is willing to become an Iranian citizen. Therefore, there's nothing unilateral about it - women knows she'll become Iranian citizen ahead of time, and she choses to accept it.

Which leads us to inevitable conclusion - Obamabots lie and distort the facts to prop up the Anointed One.

Thanks for playing

 

You're projecting, wong. Allegiance is not a matter of choice, it's the matter of law. And there's no conditions as to when this law is the law and if it only applies when someone is in the country where the law applies. And I quote:

"dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country"

Oh, and there's no such thing as receiving foreign citizenship involuntarily, I though we've already discussed that - only honorary citizenship may be awarded involuntarily. JEFF tried to come up with ridiculous example of "involuntary citizenship", and failed miserably. Got another example?

 

Which is why birthers are ridiculed. You have seen the evidence, you just don't like it because it proves obama is eligible

 

Another example of Dutch making up the law as he goes along.

Every country makes its own citizenship laws. Which is why Iran can impose citizenship on wives of husbands who become Iranian citizens.

 

that's right, happy thanksgiving rahl. tell wong and bulls too.

 

And yet another example of Obamabot making things up. No country in the world, including Iran, can unilaterally impose the citizenship on people.

 

i agree allegiance is a matter of law. consider the act of treason. enemy combatant, right back to civil law and court according to holder (eric).
full circle law. convenient for liberal dimocrats.

that's also where you dimbobots missed vattel. you forgot how to think like the founding fathers. and yet you are collectively and spectacularly arrogant. like obama, whatever he is.

 

I have actually shown you an example of this happening.

All you have done is express your opinion. There is absolutely nothing that prevents any country in the world from creating any citizenship laws on anyone that it wants.

In the United States, Congress is granted the authority by the Constitution to make laws regarding Naturalization. If Congress unilaterally declared that all of the Filipino WW2 Vets who fought for the U.S. to be American citizens, they would be American citizens.

As I showed you before- Iranian law does indeed unilaterally impose citizenship on wives of Iranian men. An American married to a man who goes to Iran and is naturalized may not even realize that she has suddenly become an Iranian citizen.

But explain to me "No country in the world, including Iran, can unilaterally impose the citizenship on people"- exactly what authority prevents this? the U.N.? International law? What pray tell what International agency or law supercedes Congress's authority on American citizenship?

 

I am not arrogant enough to think I can "think like the founding fathers'.

Tell me- how do you do it?

 

This is not an opinion JEFF, this is deep understanding of US and international laws... again, for the benefit of you and the rest of Obamabots - NO country in the world can make you a citizen against your will except at birth. Period. Foreign countries can only award you a honorary citizenship. Let me splain to you what honorary citizenship is - it's a diploma, stating, the people of said country love you... nothing more, nothing less. Can you receive a national passport based on honorary citizenship? What do you think, JEFF?

As for Iran imposing Iranian citizenship onto a women... think JEFF, think - can woman escape said citizenship by not marrying Iranian man? Of course she can; therefore, she becomes Iranian citizen voluntarily, and the citizenship therefore can be avoided. AVOIDED!

Thanks for playing, and happy Thanksgiving Day

 

Nonsense. Allegiance is always and only a matter of choice. Were it not, there could be no such thing as treason.

There you go contradicting yourself again. if this were true, then Obama can never have been a Kenyan citizen, since it was imposed on him involuntarily.

 

Allegiance is a matter of law. That much is not debatable, according to the State Department. And re-read what you wrote - that did not made any sense.

As for contradicting myself, I know where you going with this, but you're easily debunked. Still... where do I contradict myself? Do point out, please?

 

Try explaining that to Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen, Adam Gadahn and Benedict Arnold.

Allegiance is always voluntary.

 

Hey which one of you screwball, bonehead, blind followers of Obama, deniers of truth, ineptocrats, said,"Hawaii confirmed Obama's (fake) BC?" Wait a minute it was Wongkimark, jeffie and rahl all 3 of you !

You all remember the stamp at the bottom of Obama's BC the authorized stamp and signature of the State Registar? Let me remind you. It reads,"I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR AN ABSTRACT OF TXE COPY ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH"
*signed* Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. STATE REGISTRAR Any of you see anything wrong with that? No? well the Hawaii Dept of Health (80 241-3495 and Lt Governor's office of Hawaii
(80 586-0255 doesn't agree with you. In fact they will tell you if you care to call them that they WILL NOT ACCEPT NOR WILL THEY COMFIRM ANY INFORMATION ON ANY BC LIKE THE ONE OBAMA PRESENTED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC!!!!!!!Of course none of you will make the phone calls to verify that is correct because you do not want to have the truth slap you in the face. But you probably won't see or point out what is wrong on Obama's (Fake)BC either. Your denials to this aught to be really good. But they will be foundless rumor and excuse unless you make the phone calls.

 

Wrong. Here is the high resolution copy released by the AP the day after the Whitehouse press conference. It proves that there is no misspelling.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/BirthCertificateHighResolution.jpg

It is against the law for them to do so. But they have done this. On the Department of Health Web Page they have a FAQ regarding the president's Hawaiian Birth. It includes this verification that what Obama released on April 27, 2011 is the real deal.

And of course, they then link directly to the Whitehouse press release.

In case you didn't get that... here it is again:

"On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth."

And just so you don't stay confused... that statement on their web-page absolutely is Hawaii confirming as genuine the birth certificate he released that day.

 

LoL wong, I realize it's a thanksgiving eve and all, but please think before posting... if allegiance was voluntary, why do newly naturalized US citizen require to swear an oath of allegiance before they can become citizens?

 

Good logical post.

 

what about duress.

 

you could start by reading a little de vattel. a little dry reading to go with your dried out turkey.

(you know i'm kidding, it will be great i'm sure)