FoxHastings said: ↑ I never said that.....this is the "Anti-Choicers have No Argument So Make things Up Phase""" Abortion isn't murder and if it is do your civic duty and call the cops....why haven't you???? yes, postings ridiculous EMOTIONAL, made up crap like "pro-choicer's killing thirsts."" is not logical nor is it "reasoning". It IS flamebait. Then it's a good thing no one here has a "" thirst for killing babies" Abortion isn't murder and if it is do your civic duty and call the cops....why haven't you????
Bowerbird said: ↑ Ultimately it will be you paying for support of these children - throughout their life - look at the case of baby k - Stephanie Keene who spent most of her two years in a care facility having multiple admissions to ICU NO WHERE did she say that....here you go again, no decent argument so have to MAKE UP crap and claim posters said it when they didn't..
FoxHastings, what part of this don't you understand? No woman chooses to get abortion specifically because she has some worry about a remote chance of death from childbirth. It might be a teeny tiny factor in her overall decision, but it mostly isn't even on the radar to her. But she should be more than welcome to get her tubes tied if she's afraid.
FoxHastings said: ↑ So you mean that's justification for destroying all women's rights???!!!!!!!!!!!!! What part of I never said that don't you understand? Oh, YOU won't answer so I will, you didn't PURPOSELY understand what I said. Here's another question that , as usual, you won't answer. WHO TF are YOU to decide what women think? You have NO idea what each individual woman thinks. Or get an abortion if she's already pregnant...her choice, not yours and isn't that what really bothers you ???
90% Tell you what, how about if the woman can show she has a special unusual situation that is heart wrenching and unusually difficult, she can get the abortion? I mean if she is not in that 90%.
UNANSWERED question: So you mean that's justification for destroying all women's rights???!!!! When one can't answer questions one has NO argument 90% of what? NO, it is not justification for destroying rights if that's what you meant.....glad you'll be disappointed..
I didn't say I wanted to destroy ALL women's rights. Just show that she has a half decent reason and she can terminate. If you kill someone, you usually have to show at least some evidence of self defense, otherwise people will think it was a murder. Same thing here.
. Well, of course you wouldn't admit it even though you have such a long history of arguing for doing just that. No, she doesn't need to, abortion is a legal medical procedure... you just showed you want women to have less rights than you have. There is NO "someone" killed in abortion.
Duh, they have NO rights Tell me the rights you want ZEFs to have that do not interfere in the rights of the woman they're in???
They can't interfere with rights she does not have. It's not all just her body to do with whateverso way she wants to. Expectant mothers have responsibilities, at least until the pregnancy comes to a normal state of completion and the baby is delivered. Until then... she is managing a body for two. "ZEF" is not accurate. Women do not go to abortion clinics to abort zygotes.
Not as difficult and doesn't ADHD show up around the school-age anyways? I know that you Conservatives have turned into a bunch of deterministic collectivists and racist who worship pseudo-science like IQ but, IQ is not a valid predictor of anything. Besides, how would you make a fetus taken an IQ-test anyways? Abortion should be completely legal. Now, it is of course possible to have an abortion for immoral reasons, but it should still be legal.
and the last 4 years republicans were just printing money like it was growing on trees... in supposedly the best economy ever.... isn't that when you try to pay down the debt
WHAT rights are those? Yes, it is. Getting pregnant is not a crime to be punished by losing one's rights. To be determined by THEM, not YOU. No, she is managing her own body..... it certainly isn't YOURS to "manage"... Why do you think it's your responsibility or your right to "manage" other people's bodies??? UNANSWERED : Tell me the rights you want ZEFs to have that do not interfere in the rights of the woman they're in??? Here's another question that , as usual, you won't answer. WHO TF are YOU to decide what women think? You have NO idea what each individual woman thinks.
It is murder. Just because the U.S. Supreme Court wrote a new law saying it isn't, doesn't make it so. Legally today it's not murder with restrictions. And, Texas has the right to make restrictions as do they concerning gun rights as well. Ask New York. So, while abortion is murder, it's not illegal with exceptions to states rights to restrict it just as they do with gun rights. And, when those who are guilty of abortion and assisted abortion, direct or undirect, get to the Judgment Seat of God, they will find out it is murder and will be held accountable.
Surprised about what? In respect to poor countries around the world, the U.S. is low. Which was my point. Also, in America, Black women are 3 times more likely to die in childbirth. Why? Poverty is higher.
Red Herring. Of course they were. No one is saying the national debt wasn't going up. But, with Biden and his other 2 Musketeers, they have gone up nearly as much in 6 months than Trump in 4 years. And, they want more with inflation going up as well. Which affects the poor more than the rich and middle class. So again, I thought the Democrats were for protecting the poor and the needy? I thought they said they were for the middle class too. Nothing they are doing is for either one. This all will again benefit the rich and big businesses of Wall Street.
From AJMC :US Ranks Worst in Maternal Care, Mortality Compared With 10 Other Developed Nations December 3, 2020 Gianna Melillo Among 11 developed countries, the United States has the highest maternal mortality rate, a relative undersupply of maternity care providers, and no guaranteed access to provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period, a recent report from The Commonwealth Fund concluded. Among 11 developed countries, the United States has the highest maternal mortality rate, a relative undersupply of maternity care providers, and is the only country not to guarantee access to provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period, a recent report from The Commonwealth Fund concluded. Compared with any other wealthy nation, the United States also spends the highest percentage of its gross domestic product on health care. Maternal deaths have been increasing in the United States since 2000, and although 700 pregnancy-related deaths occur each year, two-thirds of these deaths are considered to be preventable."""""""""""""""""""
Yeah, all of those other nations are nearly all-white. It's always amusing to see people try to cherry pick - out of all the countries in the entire world - the White English-speaking and Western European countries and claim the US should be more like them. Maybe when there's a country in Africa or Latin America with better maternal care rates than the US we should wake up and take notice.
Yep, most are preventable. But, in poverty countries, it's more like it was in America back in the 1800's.
I keep telling people, America is more like a First World country existing side by side next to a Third World country, almost like two different societies simultaneously existing in parallel. If you look at many Latin American countries, their societies look the same way, sometimes even more so. Since America is the wealthiest country out of this bunch, that's why it often looks like an abnormality in the statistics. If you combined the statistics of two different countries, like Canada and South Africa, to create a new "hypothetical country", it would look pretty similar.
FoxHastings said: ↑ From AJMC :US Ranks Worst in Maternal Care, Mortality Compared With 10 Other Developed Nations December 3, 2020 Gianna Melillo Among 11 developed countries, the United States has the highest maternal mortality rate, a relative undersupply of maternity care providers, and no guaranteed access to's provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period, a recent report from The Commonwealth Fund concluded. Among 11 developed countries, the United States has the highest maternal mortality rate, a relative undersupply of maternity care providers, and is the only country not to guarantee access to provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period, a recent report from The Commonwealth Fund concluded. Compared with any other wealthy nation, the United States also spends the highest percentage of its gross domestic product on health care. Maternal deaths have been increasing in the United States since 2000, and although 700 pregnancy-related deaths occur each year, two-thirds of these deaths are considered to be preventable.""""""""""""""""""" So AGAIN you choose to ignore facts....not surprising at all.....
