The coming indictment of Donald Trump will break his power: former Obama lawyer

Why couldn't a jury be seated?

 

Appeals court rejects Trump lawsuit in Mar-a-Lago documents case

A federal appeals court panel has scrapped former President Donald Trump’s lawsuit aimed at derailing the FBI’s investigation of classified records stashed at his Mar-a-Lago estate after he left the White House.

The three-judge panel’s unsparing ruling moves to shut down an outside review of the Justice Department’s use of nearly 3,000 documents the FBI seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in August. And it deals Trump a devastating legal setback as he seeks to block the criminal probe into his purported retention of national security information, theft of government records and obstruction of justice.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...rumps-lawsuit-over-mar-a-lago-search-00071743

When does the impeachment of Trump hack Aileen Cannon begin?

The panel of the Atlanta-based 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled unanimously that U.S. district Court Judge Aileen Cannon erred both by granting Trump’s request to block investigators’ access to the records and in her decision to appoint a special master to assess Trump’s claims that some of the documents could be protected by executive privilege or other legal doctrines.

“The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant,” the three-judge panel wrote in a 21-page opinion released late Thursday afternoon.

 

Do you think you can find 12 people who aren't already biased in favor or against Donald Trump?

 

No and thankfully thats not required all thats required is 12 people who will put their biases aside and agree to only look at the facts.

 

You aren't going to find 12 people that get that chance.

The lawyers on both sides are never going to be happy with the choices available.

You are always going to have some social media post or something someone has said over the last 4 years that will be available for the defense to use to claim a mistrial if a Jury was ever seated.

 

It's very hard to actually get a claim to stick, you not only have to prove that it affect the trial but that the outcome would have been different on an impartial jury. Basically he's have to be able to show that he was innocent and the jury found him guilty anyway.

 

We will never get to that point in a trial.

 

I don't think I or anyone else could find 12 people who wouldn't be biased in re lots of people but they have been validly tried, there are ways to select difficult juries

 

It's usually pretty easy to find people who have never heard or not heard much about the defendant. Even for high profile cases.

That's not the case here.

 

Poorer states (Flyover America!) don't have economies capable of adequately supporting social spending. Today, programs like Medicaid are delivered locally but largely financed federally. I don't see how poor states like West Virginia and Mississippi could hope to support indigents requiring 24/7 skilled nursing.

You mean, "If we want to keep our republic intact..."

Why should a government pension be done at the state level?

Competing to do what? Deliver a bureaucratic program most efficiently? Why do I get the feeling your primary motivation is to have your state deliver the least amount of social spending possible?

We tried letting people starve in the 1930s and ended up with conservatives being out of power for more than a half century. Republicans went from 270 House seats in 1928 to 117 in 1932. From Wikipedia...

 

They weren't political "nothingburgers," nor was Clinton's impeachment that sunk Gore in 2000.

Part Two of the Mueller report outlining a case for obstruction hurt Trump. The Mueller conclusion:

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation ofthe facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction ofjustice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."​

We shall see about Jan6, but Trump has been hurt by this, too.

You need to move on from Trump.

 

Mueller added an entire section in his report on Trump obstructing his investigation, conlcuding:

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation ofthe facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction ofjustice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."​

Do you really think he added Part Two without being provoked by Trump's effort to derail the investigation his own DoJ ordered?

 

What we won't find out (because they don't want to know...) is why Trump didn't order the DC Guard be stationed right outside the Capitol. It was a failure of leadership on his part to leave security to agencies and police who obviously were unprepared on Jan6. Worse still, he was AOL for more than three hours while the riot was going on.

 

Good grief. Trump was AOL on Jan6 for three hours while the riot was going on at the Capitol and he failed to order the DC Guard to the vicinity of the Capitol prior to Jan6 even though he had intelligence trouble was likely.

Pelosi, Schumer, the DoJ, CD Metro Police... what they did or didn't do is a separate matter.

 

Mueller never said Trump committed any crime... Mueller's job is not to exonerate anyone.. never was.. Mueller was not judge and jury..

show me any case were a prosecutor or investigator exonerates anyone...

 

It isn't about financing federally. It is about taxation. The US would stop taxing for social spending and states would pick it up. The economies have little to do with it.

A state government pension should be done at the state level.

Why? Because social spending goes against equality. It singles out specific groups of people. Not a good way to handle things at the nationa level. It robs Peter to pay Paul. Competing to attract or keep citizens who can move to another state if they don't like the way government operates. I don't know why you have the feeling you have. States would be able to tax and provide social spending as the voters wish. I'm not against social spending. I'm against doing it in federal government.

You are the partisan. I am not. I don't care who is in power. I only care about what they do with that power. Yes the depression was a difficult time. No question about that.

 

So?

A mistrial can be done again

 

Trump's legal woes just keep piling up

Two of Donald Trump’s top White House lawyers appeared before at least one grand jury Friday, visiting the federal courthouse in Washington, D.C. amid multiple criminal probes involving the former president.

Former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone exited the courthouse just before 2:30 p.m., spending about six hours behind closed doors. His former deputy, Pat Philbin, departed just after 4 p.m., spending about four hours with the grand jury.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/02/trump-lawyers-grand-jury-00071960

Another tough week in the courtroom for the Orange Insurrectionist.

 

Mueller said he would have exonerated Trump if the evidence warranted it.

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."​

Trump saying Mueller exonerated him is wrong.

 

Mueller did not say Trump committed a crime.. Mueller does not exonerate anyone.... He is not judge and jury...

 

We disagree. States like Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi would have to charge outrageous taxes to make California, program for program..

They are. Social Security, however, is done at the federal level.

How do Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security single out specific groups of people? Very few dollars are spent along racial or ethnic lines.

Huh? States are competing to do what exactly. Who's robbing who?

How will poor states manage? Flyover America only does as well as it does because of government transfers that support Medicare, Obamacare, Medicaid, Social Security. Without these transfer payments, states like Louisiana and Mississippi would be even poorer.

I'm a classic aggressive middle road type.

The point about the Depression is that people weren't going to support the Republican notion that social spending should be private charity. Republican support couldn't survive a serious downturn.

 

If Trump is held accountable I will eat my shorts! But please allow me to wash them first just in case.

 

Neither of the impeachments resulted in a conviction for Trump. Your spin about sycophants protecting Trump are now being replaced with true statements about Democratic sycophants and biased twitter censorship run by the corrupt Biden crime family.

 

NONE... as in NOT ONE of the above listed actions resulted in convicting Trump of ANYTHING. That is definition NOTHINGBURGER.

I want YOU to stay focused on trump so that America can move on and elect DeSantis.

 

One can hope. NO ONE is above the law has to be a actual fact as opposed to selectively imposed.If people in powerful positions cannot be an ethical, responsible & constructive & civil example to others..........they should not run for such postilion. If these folks get away with their conduct.........the example they set is negative and will affect society as a whole Rules and laws won't be respected ..........and this has been happening already Society n civility has deteriorated notably over the Trump years........ as the tone and behavior was set by him.....There is an inclination to try and get away with as much as possible.......... now.......legally, and ethically.
If Trummp is not indicted.......that will speak volumes about the state of the system. How can any civilized person or nation have any respect for a system that is not fair t that degree Doing the right thing legally and ethically is just that...........not just words