The coming Trump landslide......

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't blame me for your inability to comprehend anything more in depth than a soundbite.

    Then to follow up with name calling and demonization makes you look like even more of a simpleton.

    if you can not deal with more than a soundbite ... don't read longer posts.

    Newsflash - there are some that still read newspapers and magasine articles. Clearly this is too much for the mind of a simpleton but this is no reason to lash out at those that value knowledge.
     
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    ???BY CONTINUING TO SABOTAGE IT???
     
  3. MMC

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    Yes you would say that Donny Duetsch telling your kind about the writing on the wall is my prediction. That's because as a leftist you don't know how to read. But then nobody said the left really had smart powers. Other than the left themselves.

    Your record turnout in Texas could have been a 100% and it still didn't match the record Turnout that the Right put out there. So there goes that theory. Right into the Blue puddle that the drips made.

    The Senate you can forget about it. AT the very least the Repubs will gain 3 or 4 seats. As for the House after your kind putting out part of their platform to raise taxes. You can forgetaboutit.

    Awwww have the Demos been completely alienated? Goooood! Very Gooood! Wish that was True, but then once again the left just has a hard time with reality. Let us know when you figure out about those Demos working for Trump. Including Cohn who just stepped down all due to losing favor with Trump to another Democrat named Navarro.


    Sheesh where do the Demos find these cult followers? In Pods?
     
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    The undeniable facts YOU are ignoring are the economic benefits from tax cuts. We have already seen many of those economic benefits begin with greater numbers of employed.

    Expectations of the future and less uncertainty are going to further drive the economy eventually paying BIG dividends in tax revenue.

    Steve
     
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    To repeat: The GOP steadfastly ignores unmistakeable warning signs of a pending disaster. A major tremor came early in Trump’s presidency with the global Woman’s March. This was a breathtaking historical event that heralded the rise of women’s power in politics.An ongoing tsunami is the rapidly shifting demographics away from white men to women and minority voters. This has created a growing percentage Independent voters moving decidedly toward Democrats. Young voters (18-35) overwhelming register either Democrat or Independent.

    In every special election held in 2017, Republicans gave up their seats to Democratic challengers - sometimes by huge margins. Massive turnout by the aforementioned groups swung the elections away from the GOP.
    The low approval of president Trump has been a major factor in driving this trend. His base of support holds steadfastly at 32-37% of voters. Trump has neither desire or plan to enlarge his base to include the remaining 65% of Americans.

    The clouds of the Mueller investigation hangs over the administration like a gathering storm. Trump’s continued focus on collusion with Russians is like a rabbit sitting comfortably on a railroad track ignoring the train emerging from the fog. Mueller has long since moved from the Russians to money laundering, illegal foreign business dealings, profiteering from the office, and obstruction of justice.

    These facts are hard to ignore and 36 GOP representatives have seen the coming train and retired from office. They know the GOP is headed for disaster in 2018 and wanted no part of the wreckage.
     
  6. MMC

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    Highly unlikely as most small businesses when first starting out, fail. Try not to think to much about others and what they study. Focus on what you think you know.

    When has there been a time when cuts didn't have to be paid for in the last 70 years.

    It wouldn't have gotten that way if the Demos never had gained power. But then that's what happens when the party of spend spend and spend some more gets in there. As time and time again, they have proven nothing exceeds like excess.
     
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    Honestly, unless something particularly compelling happens, I don't see him surviving the RNC primaries. There's still no wall, yet he's making deals with DACA. Sorry, but that just don't fly. Then of course, he's just another big spender. The national debt continues to spiral out of control, and he does nothing but spend more money that we don't have.

    It really depends on who runs against him. The usual Cruz and Rubio types we've all come to know and not like won't do it, but he is a very beatable candidate.
     
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    To bad this topic is on the Demos and not the GOP. As despite the Lame Stream trying to downplay all the Demos problems. Just cannot keep all their Problems hidden.

    The Demos lost 1019 seats. Don't forget that. They're still a million miles away from making that back up.

    But but but.....Mueller. Now there is a new Investigation and New Counsel So now Mueller has to cover his own partisan ass.

    Let see if you can focus on the Demo Problems. What can you tell us about any of their problems you discovered.
     
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    Something compelling IS happening, many things actually. The media just doesn't want to talk about them.

    Steve
     
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    Well Mueller found a letter that Trump sent to Putin when he was running the Beauty Pagents. Then there is the Ten year old news about Stormy Daniels. Yay, go for it leftists. :laughing:
     
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    In other words, it'll be greater later? If he doesn't get his thumb out of his butt very very soon, it'll be too late for him to make America great.
     
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    Don't stick your head in the sand like dems are doing. Between now and Nov there's a boatload of crap about to fall on dems. Trump is still forced to play the politician the way our founders intended. In other words, dems are marching in LOCK-STEP with each other as they march over the cliff. Republicans are divided BECAUSE they are doing what their LOCAL voters want them to do, and that's why they will continue winning elections.

    Even though the media is all in with dems, they are at the LOWEST levels of TRUST in HISTORY by the people.

    Steve
     
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    How would you know this if you did not read my post ? That said, you are correct that I did not address the "economic benefits" false narrative.

    The fact of the matter is that both Reagan and Bush tried the same thing, touting the same logic, and both were massive failures.

    Of course you get a short term economic improvement when the Gov't pours hundreds of billions of extra dollars into the economy. Of course when the Gov't expands Gov't by spending more jobs are created. Of course when military spending is increases by 200 Billion - jobs are created.

    As I stated in my post ... short term gain, long term pain if the money used to finance this is through massive deficits. This is especially true in a rising interest rate environment.

    So enjoy the short term gain because you are in for a whole lot of long term pain.

    One good thing that Trump did that has a lasting effect (as oppose to putting nitrous oxide in one's engine) is getting rid of some horrible regulations that made it very tough to do business here. That said, in many ways he threw the baby out with the bathwater.
     
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    That's not true.

    Even Obama tried economic stimulus and failed BECAUSE he added GREATER UNCERTAINTY (with Obamacare, read the damn thread, I'm repeating myself here).

    Higher expectations of the future and less uncertainty are what drives economic growth. That's Post-Keynesian economic thought. You'll have to have a 4-year degree in economics to get that far.

    Steve
     
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    Hey, I wish him all the best when it comes to that. It's just that I don't have any faith in his ability to do anything between now and the RNC primaries. That leaves him a very beatable candidate.

    As for the dems, there's a national census scheduled for 2020. He's going to do absolutely nothing about getting rid of the illegals and anchor babies between now and then, and that's going to flip a state like Texas, as well as give sanctuary states even more EC votes.

    I wish him the best, but I don't think he'll do anything of substance.
     
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    Tax cuts do not benefit a failed business. Second I cant stand the Dems and am free market loving fiscal conservative. That said, it is a fact that Republican administrations since Reagan have been way more fiscally irresponsible. They love big Gov't and big spending just like the dems. Take off your partisan rose colored glasses and do some objective research and stop drinking the partisan kool-aid and that is what you will find.

    When in the last 70 years has the interest on our debt been 450 Billion/per year ? This is a trick question. The answer is never but, the fact of the matter is that it is the ratio of income to interest that is important.

    Right now the interest as a ratio of income is actually quite low relative to where it was when Clinton stepped into office. Last time I did the calculation was some months ago but it was around 12-13%. During Clinton's time it was over 25%.

    Hit a ratio of 30% and red lights go off at the IMF - water is coming into the ship faster than it can be bailed out and if something is not done the ship will sink.

    Reducing the deficit in the Clinton era was not something he wanted to do, or the republican congress for that matter. It was something they had to do. Things were getting very serious.

    Spending was curtailed but something very lucky happened -a "white swan event" that has changed the course of history. This event resulted in a huge increase in Gov't revenue which helped to balance the budget and get deficits to near zero. That event was the computer/internet revolution.

    We now have companies that were insignificant or did not exist prior to 1990 that are by far the largest value by market cap on the Stock market.

    The problem is there is this little thing called "the business cycle" and we may well be past the peak for many of these companies. Profit margins in Televisions used to be huge .. just like Iphones. Now they are super low. Maintaining 100 or more % margins going forward is going to be very difficult but I digress.

    Since we are only 12-13% interest as a ratio of income .... why the frack am I complaining ?

    If interest rates rise to levels that are still well below historical ave ... we get above 25% again very quickly. Then you see pain.
    If there is no once in a lifetime "white swan event" to bail us out ... you will see pain like you can't imagine.

    You think this is "funny money" ? its not. Reagan started something 35 years ago that is causing huge economic problems in the present.

    We dodged a bullet back in Clinton's time. Now things are much worse. The Fed no longer has any bullets left in its gun. The intervention in the markets which allowed us to get the interest rate on our debt this low has all been used up and we are now subject to where ever direction the wind blows.

    Go look at a chart of interest payments on the debt since 2000. You will see that the amount we pay in interest is pretty much the same as it was back in 2000.

    How can this be ? Our debt in 2000 was 5.6 Trillion and now it is 20 Trillion ? Back in 2000 the ave interest on our debt was 6.5% .. and that had come down from much higher.

    We no longer have the ability to reduce interest rates further. If we were at 6.5 % today ?? Our ship would have already sunk.

    Interest rates on our debt is now rising and if interest payments eat further into revenues (assuming we can sustain current revenues which is not always the case) things will cost more ... tax payers will pay for this one way or the other.
     
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    What is not true ? Not sure why you are bringing Obama into the discussion but - he didn't fail.

    Less uncertainty is good for economic growth (and I alluded to this in my post in reference to regulations) but ... what does this have to do with the fact that Reagan and Bush were the pinnacle of fiscal irresponsibility.

    Go read the post above where I discuss the sht show Clinton had to deal with as a result of Reaganomics.
     
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    ???????????????????????????????????

    According to the Texas secretary of state’s website, 205,583 people voted early in the 2014 Democratic primary. This year, 406,302 Democratics voted early. That's a 98% increase.

    On the GOP side, 352,963 people voted early in the Republican primary. In 2014 the number was 303,858, showing a 16% increase this year.

    Could this signal the beginning of a ‘blue wave’ hitting the Lone Star State?


    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/T...rats-Double-Their-2014-Turnout-475782203.html

    Hyperpartisan propaganda and the arrogant tone of your defensive condescension will not change the future, and by definition, lying does NOT add credence to your arguments.

    IMO, your prediction (or your FAITH in whatever prediction was made by another) is based purely on hope. . . . We'll see.
     
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    You are only showing your ignorance of how our government operates. Reagan and Bush both had to work with dems in order to accomplish their PRIMARY goals.

    It should be apparent to you that I'm not a fan of Neoclassical economics. That is what is taught in universities and what presidents have used in their economic strategies. Obama did fail by virtue of the resulting sluggish economic growth never achieving more than roughly 2-percent annual GDP growth. When Trump started doing away with regulations that did start the ball rolling, and now with tax cuts and HIGHER expectations of the future and less uncertainty, dems will be trounced in Nov, giving Trump more ability to perform the tasks he needs to get things done.

    I doubt Trump is aware of Post-Keynesian economics, but the reason it came into being was because the neoclassical thought doesn't always work in the REAL WORLD of business, hence, Trump knows the basics as a businessman and is applying it.

    Steve
     
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    As is the case with Clinton .. I did not give him sole credit for reducing the deficit ... nor do I put the full blame on Reagan. This does not change the fact that the spending under his watch was a fiscal disaster.

    I am a fiscal republican (meaning I believe in the tenets of Republicanism). Republicanism no longer exists in the GOP leadership and not much in the electorate as well. Similarly - classical liberalism does not exist in the Dem party.

    Obama came into a nightmare.

    1) The housing market had crashed
    2) The stock market had crashed from 14,000 down to 6,600.
    3) The deficit was 1.4 Trillion Dollars
    4) Revenue had dropped from 2.7 Trillion to 2.1 Trillion
    5) The financial system was on the verge of collapse (commercial paper markets were frozen)

    Do you know what it means when the commercial paper markets freeze ? When GE gets a contract to build a 5 Billion dollar nuclear power plant it has to put out a whole bunch of money up front - money it does not have in the bank. What these companies do is borrow from the commercial paper markets.

    If these markets are frozen, the entire system grinds to a halt. This is what happened in the great depression .. stuff just stops.

    Obama did not throw stimulus at the markets on the basis of some economic platitude or principle( neoclassical, Keynesian, Austrian - there is a reason why it is better flip a coin rather than listen to economic predictions from economists) he did so because the whole damn system was collapsing.

    And it was not just Obama - it was everyone around Obama - the Fed - the GOP ... everyone.

    They had a choice .. either throw water on the fire until it went out or let the whole system burn down.

    We can debate whether or not we should have let the system collapse. That is another question. What is not debatable is the that once you decide to put the fire out, you must put water on the flames until the fire is out.

    What is absurd friggen nonsense, is blaming the fire chief for using too much water.

    There was nothing similar during the reign of Reagan, Bush 1 or Bush 2. They have no excuse.

    When Obama stepped in Revenue was 2.1 Trillion. When he left it was 3.5 Trillion
    The Dow was 6600. It was 18,000 when he left.

    I do not post these numbers to praise Obama. I do it to show you how numbers without understanding are can be meaningless.

    Revenue had dropped from 2.7 to 2.1 Trillion in 2009 due to the crash. Once things re-established themselves a revenue recovery should perhaps have come quicker than it did but, it took until 2014 after which things really started to roll.

    The deficit was 1.4 Trillion when Obama stepped into office. 500 Billion when he left.

    Any fool can increase economic activity by increasing the deficit ... it is no surprise when a fire burns brighter after you pour some gasoline on it.

    Try increasing economic activity while at the same time reducing the deficit. Obama was helped by increasing revenues in the latter years and in my opinion he could have brought the deficit down further which is what one should be doing when the economy is going well.

    Which brings me to the point .. WTF is Trumps excuse ? Even more to the point ... WTF is the excuse of the GOP which controls both houses.

    Trump walked into an economy that was doing rather well with revenues increasing and the lowest deficit since the crash. Solution ? Increase the deficit to 1 Trillion.

    Can you imagine the squawking if Hillary had been elected and done this.

    Don't get me wrong. I think Obama was a nightmare on many levels ...and he held back our economy big time but, just because I do not like the guy does not mean I will ignore reality.
     
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    Do you see me criticizing sex workers or the sex industry? Who doesn't love hookers? I'm highlighting the absudity of feigned moral outrage, and phony self righteousness being displayed.
     
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    By drafting a sensible replacement, as they've previously promised.
     
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    And.....by the time it was all over the leftness only pimped out a mil. While the right pimped out over a mil and half.

    What confused you that the Right put out over 500k more people than your kind?

    But I will bet you know now that early voting don't mean ****, when it comes to the final tally.


    Politico: Texas primary puts egg on DCCC's face - hotair.com
    Hot Air3 days ago
     
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    If Jews don’t like the stereotype they run the media and are active in anti-nationalist views, opting instead for socialism which enables them to move up as an ingroup in countries they are a small minority, it would be beneficial for every other Trump bashing leftist on TV to not be Jewish.
     
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    :) I did not accuse you of being critical of sex workers. .. and many do not love hookers. I was also highlighting the absurdity of feigned moral outrage - or a least hypocrisy.
     

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