The Curry corner

No, I never asked for that. You're making that up, same as you make up everything. I asked you to demonstrate you're not a cult stenographer. You got huffy. Everyone understands why.

_I_ understand what Curry is saying, because I'm smart and well-informed.

_You_ don't have a clue about what's she's saying. You're just doing a mindless cut-and-paste of things you don't understand. Then you say they're wonderful, because it's what TheParty expects of you.

That illustrates the fundamental difference between the two sides very well. The rational side here is honest and well-informed, while your denier side is dishonest and ignorant.

 

You write some not very interesting fiction. But you realize this.

 

What do you believe I deny? And if you claim i do not know, how can that conclude I am dishonest?

 

A new scientific study about cloud cover. Most of all, this is my favorite topic. Can man create clouds globally? I tend to think not. But make no error, clouds are the major driver of climate. They are present during snow fall. They are not present at deserts. They are where the water comes from that makes snow and rain.

https://judithcurry.com/2018/01/27/week-in-review-science-edition-75/#more-23794

Week in review – science edition
Posted on January 27, 2018 | 6 Comments
by Judith Curry

 

Very interesting adding a new layer of info to our base. I've seen a few other articles related so let's hope we get some sig data.

 

A paper that is supporting climate change

 

Oh for gosh sakes, nobody says climate has never changed. I even go fo far as to give excellent examples where climate has changed. Take the Great lakes of North America. Climate changed and over time gave us the wonderful Great lakes. A most awesome valley was carved by long ago gone glaciers. I have so many examples of climate change. But back to Mrs. Curry who is an expert.

 

"So planting trees helps, but it's not even close to being a solution."

Not true, perhaps planting 1 tree does not help, however, tree nurseries and planting saplings in huge numbers, according to an actual plan helps.

 

The arboreal forests from Canada to Siberia are larger than any forests in the world. You'd have to do a lot of jungle and temperate forests reimplantation to make a small dent in the mass there. That doesn't mean don't worry about the them as jungles as they are 3% of mass but 50% of animal diversity of the globe. So jungles are vastly important just not decreasing CO2 levels much.

 

It is not that I do not believe in Global climate change, I do, it is your antics and shenanigans that are amusing, one picture of the effects of climate changes in Switzerland prove nothing and neither do your Statements, there are climate records from antiquity stored in ice dating far back, this is more convincing to me.

 

Curry again
https://judithcurry.com/2018/02/11/week-in-review-science-edition-76/#more-23819


Week in review – science edition
Posted on February 11, 2018 | 95 Comments
by Judith Curry

A few things that caught my eye this past week.


The real culprit behind snowmelt floods isn’t temperature – its dirt [link]

Pacific Islands Getting Bigger, Despite Rising Seas [link]

New paper by Dan Lubin at Scripps: Cooling Sun May Partially Offset Climate Change by Humans [link]

Chris Landsea’s essay on “Hurricane #Harvey ‘s Rainfall and Global Warming” [link] …

Important new work on the Medieval Climate Anomaly (once called the Medieval Warm Period) in Africa and the Arabian Peninsula [link]

New paper reviews overlapping mechanisms of adaptability for #corals in response to heat stress & variability [link] …

The Ozone Layer Isn’t Healing Like Expected [link] [link]

The Arctic sea ice cover of 2016: a year of record-low highs and higher-than-expected lows [link]

Asymmetric variations in Hadley Circulations and the Associated Mechanisms [link] …

Using @ECMWF forecasts to calibrate seasonal forecast [link]

Pielke Jr: Weather-related natural disasters 2017: was this a reversion to the mean? [link]

Another entry into the climate-tradeoffs-are-hard category: air pollution kills 3-6 million(!) a year. So let’s cut it out, right? Well, yes, except it’ll increase global temps by 0.5–1.1°C, increase precipitation & extreme weather. [link] …

Southern Hemisphere climate variability forced by Northern Hemisphere ice-sheet topography [link] …

Models are coming into sync on how Arctic sea ice loss can lead to far-flung atmospheric impacts. [link]
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The collapse of ice cliffs is one of several mechanisms with the potential to rapidly increase ice sheet discharge, and affect sea level rise, under high greenhouse gas emission scenarios. [link]
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World Climate Research Programme: Advancing climate forecasts [link]
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When will we detect changes in short-duration precipitation extremes? [link]
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Little Ice Age ended Viking settlements in Greenland. Increased storminess disrupted trade & walrus ivory trade collapsed due to Russian competition. Despite key adaptations finally Vikings returned home. [link] …
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Assessing the Impact of a Future Volcanic Eruption on Decadal Predictions [link] …
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Continental shelves as increasing global #carbon sink: [link]
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Consistent biases in Antarctic sea ice concentration simulated by climate models [link]
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Perspective: Challenges and opportunities for improved understanding of regional climate dynamics [link]

 

Holy cow. I did not expect it to be you attacking me. I enjoy spreading my knowledge about climate here and there. I even post papers used by Curry to support climate.

Nobody says from my end that but one event proves anything. So where is the proof we humans are in charge of climate? Do we add more Carbon Dioxide to warm it up in areas in need of warming? Do we go to hot areas and try to get rid of the Carbon Dioxide?

What is the Democrats solution as spouted off by them in the USA? @DoctorWho

 

The whole Climate Change/Global Warming debacle of head butting is almost pointless and rather irritating. The very simple reality is that it does not even matter who is right or wrong because if one side is correct we have nothing to worry about and if the other there is nothing we can do to fix it.

Might as well grab a beer, go to the beach and have fun while we can.

 

This came to us via Curry. An uplifting story of adaptation.
‘Adaptation Bangladesh: Sea Level Rise’ film shows how farmers are fighting climate change
https://news.mongabay.com/2018/02/a...hows-how-farmers-are-fighting-climate-change/

Delightful article and you may enjoy it.

 

It's just plain the bottom of the barrell disgusting to suggest the plight of those in Bangladesh due to climate change is "delightful".

http://www.wfp.org/stories/10-facts-about-hunger-bangladesh

Delightful?????

What the HELL is wrong with you?

They are starving. And, YOU say there is something delightful about it.

 

Why not read what I said. I said the article is delightful.

It looks to me as if you did not read the article.

 

There is NOTHING delightful about the desperate efforts of Bangladeshis who are struggling to keep their starving children from dying.

Read the stats I posted.

Tell me which one you think is "delightful".

 

What is in the article that you are trying to discuss?

 

I have more from Dr. Curry but before I post it, I want to point you to a lake in Iran that is drying up. It is used as an example of warming.

Problem is that the warmth is not much to talk about. Lake Tahoe has hotter days than does Lake Urmia and it has been extra full despite a CA drought. Earlier the lake was lower than today but the change to fill it was last year.

Read the facts on temperatures at Lake Urmia and go into details what this has to do with alleged global warming. I believe part of Urmia's problems involves dams.

Repeat, the warmers allege it is global warming.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tem...ome..69i57.16326j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


https://www.theguardian.com/world/i...drying-up-new-research-scientists-urge-action

 

Curry data reports

Introduction

Modern Global Warming (MGW) is the change in climate that has been taking place from the coldest period of the Little Ice Age (LIA) to the present. It is characterized by a preponderance of warming periods over cooling periods, resulting in the warming of the planet, expansion of tropical areas, cryosphere contraction, sea level rise, and a change in dominant weather and precipitation patterns. The nadir of the LIA appears to have been the late Maunder Minimum period of 1660-1715 (Luterbacher, 2001; figure 103). Afterwards, most of the eighteen century was warmer, but was followed by an intense cold relapse in 1790-1820, before the LIA finally ended around 1840. The LIA is the closest the planet has been in 12,000 years to returning to glacial conditions. All over the world most glaciers reached their maximum Holocene extent in the LIA (Solomina et al., 2015; figure 43). But for the past 300 years, MGW has interrupted the Neoglacial cooling trend of the last five millennia. The last 70 years of MGW (25%) has seen considerable, and increasing, human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases (GHG). There is great concern than this and other human actions (deforestation, cattle raising, and changes in land use) might have an important impact over climate, precipitating an abrupt climate change. To some authors the abrupt climate change is already taking place.



Figure 103. Climate variability over the past 1500 years. Proxy reconstruction of 30°-90°N mean annual decadally averaged temperatures over land back to A.D. 558. The time series is made from three segments covered by different amounts of data, which are kept constant within that segment. Gray shaded ranges give the 95% uncertainty bounds of decadal temperature estimates. Moberg et al., 2005, proxy reconstruction and the borehole reconstruction over the same spatial domain are shown for comparison. Each time series is plotted relative to its 1880-1960 mean. Source: G.C. Hegerl et al. 2007. J. Clim. 20, 4, 650-666. Instrumental temperature removed. Main climatic periods are indicated by background color. Multi-centennial warming periods are indicated by horizontal continuous lines and vertical dotted lines.

This series of articles has reviewed how the climate has been changing for the past 800,000 years, and with greater detail for the past 12,000 years. Climate change is the norm, and climate has never been stable for long. It is within this context of past climate change that MGW must be evaluated.

Modern Global Warming is consistent with Holocene climatic cycles

Note to readers.

Link since you will be happier if you read the entire article.

https://judithcurry.com/2018/02/26/nature-unbound-viii-modern-global-warming/#more-23860

 

The delightful article explains how they are fighting climate change.

Not sure why you deflected.

 

It's interesting in this chart that the modern era is already depicted as being warmer than the Medieval Warm Period and that's without the +0.7C of additional warming not shown on the chart.

 

What is so interesting to me is daily temperatures are very much an up and down range. It might be here, 45 degrees this AM and 56 later in the day. I notice during that 12 degree upswing, the state of CA did not collapse due to warming.

Summer when it might get to 100, it starts out moderate in temps, still a 50 degree swing up and hey, CA did not collapse.

I was starting to investigate Lake Urmia in Iran since they blame the shrinking lake on one thing, humans since they blame us for warming.

So In checking the lake out, and keep in mind it's reduction of 90 percent of size is blamed not on dams, but on climate.

Yet all evidence shows it is dams. Sure made by Iranians or others, but still not carbon dioxide.

 

Lake Urmia

What I am telling you. This is a link blaming climate. See a thing about the actual cause? When you dam rivers, it ends up slowing the flow further down since the water is stored behind the dams. One more thing, salt lakes are not ideal lakes. Most water life such as fish do not survive in salt water of that amount of salt. I say let the lake dry up and mine the salt remaining.

http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/160420-urmia.html

 

More data from the Curry corner ... she is not the author so save your bashing for her own articles

Link was previously posted

Modern Global Warming is consistent with Holocene climatic cycles

It is often said that MGW is unusual because it contradicts a Neoglacial cooling trend that has been ongoing for several millennia. However, this is a superficial observation. Several multi-centennial warming periods have taken place within the Neoglacial cooling trend. A warming period took place between 1250-850 yr BP (700-1100 AD), leading to the Medieval Warm Period (MWP; Hegerl et al., 2007; figure 103), and another one at 2800-2500 yr BP (850-550 BC), leading to the Roman Warm Period (RWP; Drake, 2012).

Current models propose that the world would be cooling if it wasn’t for the human influence on climate (Meehl et al., 2004; figure 104).



Figure 104. Models simulate global cooling without anthropogenic forcing. The four-member ensemble mean (red line) and ensemble member range (pink shading) for globally averaged surface air temperature anomalies (°C) for all forcings [(volcano + solar + GHG + sulfate + ozone)]; the solid blue line is the ensemble mean and the light blue shading is the ensemble range for globally averaged temperature response to natural forcings [(volcano + solar)]; the black line is the observations after Folland et al. (2001). Source: G.A. Meehl et al. 2004. J. Clim., 17, 19, 3721-3727.

However, the proposition that the world should be cooling absent an anthropogenic effect, contradicts our knowledge of Holocene climate cycles. One of the main cycles is the ~ 1000-year Eddy cycle found in climate and solar activity proxy records of the Early and Late Holocene (see: Centennial to millennial solar cycles). The periodicity of this cycle is maintained from Early to Late Holocene, and reflected in the Bond events of increased iceberg activity in the North Atlantic (figure 81). The start of the Medieval Warming ~ 700 AD, and the start of the MGW at ~ 1700 AD are separated by ~ 1000 years. The peak of the MWP at ~ 1100 AD and the trough of the LIA at ~ 1600 are separated by ~ 500 years (figure 103). Based on this cycle it can be projected that the period ~ 1600-2100 AD should be a period of net warming, to be followed by a cooling period ~ 2100-2600 AD, if the cycle maintains its beat (figure 105).