The Death Of Science

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  1. JAG*

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    The Death Of Science
    By Victor Davis Hanson

    Excerpts:

    "The scientific method used to govern much of popular American thinking . . .

    Is this yet another of the scientific community’s Platonic “noble lies,” as when
    Fauci assured the public last year that there was no need for masks? He later
    claimed he had lied so that medical professionals would not run out of needed
    supplies . . .


    “Critical race theory” would preposterously tell us that we need racism to fight racism . . .

    Science is dying; superstition disguised as morality is returning. And we’ll all soon
    become poorer, angrier and more divided."
    __Victor Davis Hanson

    Source:
    Victor Davis Hanson: The death of science (msn.com)

    (Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution,
    Stanford University, and the author of “The Second World Wars: How the First
    Global Conflict Was Fought and Won,” from Basic Books.

    Thoughts?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Science has become the most over used and most misused word in the American language. If someone wants to cinch an argument, they say say we should believe the science. Science is not some magic potion. It is the opinion of man. Most is well founded and completely accurate. However, all too much is someone's ill conceived notion that they are right and you are wrong. Rather than blindly following the science, use your head.
     
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    He should have stuck with the original opinions. As it turns out masks haven't had any effect on covid at all.

    Critical race theory isn't science. It is opinion and isn't based on anything.

    I like Hanson but don't think science is dying. I think it is misunderstood. This very post demonstrates that.
     
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    Exactly. Agreed.
    The "I have the science on my side, and you don't",
    is the standard "argument" put forward by many
    Philosophical Pseudo-intellectual Academic Talking Heads.

    By the way, if we define the word "science" roughly as truth, then
    I note that between 1939 - 1945 The Allies put, at that time, the
    world's most powerful military into Europe, to settle the dispute
    over what was "science" with the edge of the bloody sword

    The Allied Armies took what the Nazis said was science and
    they FORCE CRAMMED it down the throats of the Nazis and
    those that went along with the Nazi assertions of what was
    science, and the Nazis and the people who supported them and
    fought for them were 100% helpless to prevent it ~ and they
    were killed by the millions in World War 2.

    JAG


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    Interesting points. Thanks for your input.
    At this point in human history, what Thomas Hobbs said
    generally applies to most everything ~ and most certainly
    it applies to these highly disputed political-social issues.

    :Its a war of all against all."

    Question: How many of, say, your personal political ideological
    enemies do you think would tell you, "Hey I do NOT have the
    science on my side."

    How many of these liberal scoundrels that hawk the notion
    that a boy can suddenly declare himself a girl, would tell you
    "Hey I do NOT have the science on my side on this issue."

    "Only the dead have seen an end to war."
    __attributed to Plato (and others)

    JAG

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    Help me out here. Why do you folks persist with this falsehood? Is it to draw attention away from Trump's tragic failures with respect to the government's response to COVID?

    https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_e58c20c6-8735-4022-a1f5-1580bc732c45
     
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    Your "you folks" (followed by a mention of Trump - you automatically ASSUME that I support trump)
    is probably an indication that we have a:
    The Joker vs Batman
    Rommel vs. Patton
    situation here.
    What is that?
    Answer: ENEMY.
    What?
    Ah you know what the concept of ENEMY means: A locked down political ideological WAR situation.
    So?
    So it may be that what we have to discuss is "what are the best methods
    we Conservatives can use to soundly defeat the Donk Party and reduce
    them to total political impotence, in the coming decades."?

    JAG


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    I have no political enemies since I don't practice politics. But most of the misinformation and bad science has come from government. People on the left tend to believe government and people on the right tend to be skeptical of what government says. It isn't a scientific issue. It is political.

    Common sense and normal observation tells us that the government response to the virus has been ineffective and has done more harm than good. But put the blinders on and you come up with comments about un-vaccinated people being murderers. Science told us a long time ago that vaccines have nothing to do with the transmission of disease. They only affect the immune system's ability to fight the disease. For some reason people have stopped remembering that with this politically charged disease. We got a bad flu and treated it as though it were the black death.

    Being dissatisfied with one's gender isn't about science. It is more about common sense and confusion. Science will tell you that declaring a different gender doesn't change anything except for perceptions.
     
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    Interesting points. I read what you wrote carefully. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    JAG

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    science is far from dead. science is still the best tool humans have devised to learn about our universe.
     
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    An American conservative commentator….who blogs. He isn’t even a scientist.
    Where is Rush ? Hannity ? Tucker ?
     
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    He is a very smart man with positions that I agree with for the most part. I don't agree with him in this issue, however. He isn't a scientist. He is a thinker. Hannity and Tucker are on Fox News. Rush, sadly, is deceased.
     
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