The demise of the Labor Party in Australia.

Its been a long, long time since I read, heard, or viewed anything positive about this Government.
Even Crean wanted Rudd to challenge, therefore undermining Gillards authority. But what happens...
Rudd doesnt challenge, and it makes Crean look like a fool...whats the point of a spill if no b@stard
is in the wings ready to challenge???????????
AND THEN, with a vote of no confidence, it goes down to three votes from an immediate election...
Everyone is now just waiting for the election, and unbeknowns to Gillard she has shot herself in the foot in
calling the election so far ahead...it gives everyone another six months to dislike Gillard...and Im sure those
numbers are increasing...this Government is doomed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH-gnMSzmtI&feature=player_detailpage

 

I don't see how this bunch of bad clowns can last until September. I'm betting we will see an election way before then and I'm betting Juliar won't be their leader at the time.

 

I’m over the moon that no one was stupid enough to bail this rotten troll out of the incompetent mess she created.

Like myself, there are numerous people within her own party who want to see this RAT sink with the ship without helping her.

Anyone associate with this toll and her Government at the next election has committed political suicide.

I would love to see the re-emergence of Lindsay Tanner in a new political party - what an intelligent, articulate man.

 

Yeah,and maybe Santa and God and the Tooth fairy are real,the only alternative and the expression of an Imploding ALP ,indicates is that far from going "liberal " the Working Class is moving to its natural political home of Socialism .Revolution not Reform denotes the current international situation ,Egypt ect......whats required is a Workers government based on the Nationalisation of the Banks and basic industry!Not more of the cLASS COMPRIMISING AND BETRAYALS CALLED THE ALP!It never was a "socialial democratic Party " they were called the 2nd International ,which the ALP was never affiliated .They are actually a "Bourgeois Liberal Party "in drag.

 

They even tried to blame Kevin Rudd for destabilising the train wreck of their own making, when Krudd didn`t even challenge the leadership. They obviously judged Rudds denial of leadership asperations by their own lying standards. I wouldn`t p1ss on rudd if he was on fire, but he doess owe Gillard one, for lying about her leadership challenge while she was scheming behind his back. Gillard lied straight faced to the entire Nation, we all know that, thisis standard behaviour for the ALP. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

 

Where ya bin????

The bad news is that the working class is not going to go socialist any time soon. Probably more so in Australia then Britain the working class is conservative. I bet you thought Alf Garnett was a caricature didn't you Phil?

Marx and Engels got that bit wrong. Despite the best efforts of many to engage the working class with socialism, which is in their best interests, they refuse to do so, well apart from a few converts.

When Disraeli died (or on the anniversary of his death or something like that) "The Times" (pre-Murdoch) published a piece that described Disraeli's skills in co-opting the working class vote in Britain as being able to see the inherent conservatism in the working class, "as a sculptor sees an angel in marble" (or words to that effect).

You will see the working class in action in September. The cattle will be voting for the slaughterman and the Coalition will gain government and the killing floor in the slaughterhouse will be wet with blood. Before the end of the first and only term of the Coalition we will be begging for the return of the bourgeois labourist ALP government but there will not be a demand for socialism.

Unfortunately.

 

The reason that the working class in Australia shun socialism is because they don't want to be the working class for the rest of their lives, something socialism would bestow upon them. They have the dream that one day all their work, hard work, would amount to something, and they can could see in their old age in some sort of comfort. Then some stinking government taxes the sh!t out of their hard work.

socialism has never really been effective anywhere. Its not your a#rse or your elbow.

 

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.

Mark Twain.

 

As the saying goes "some people are dead but they wont lie down"...!!!

 

As a leftwinger I was a strong Labour supporter in NZ, though not always with enthusiasm. But since arriving in Australia, I am disenchanted by the state of the ALP.

Riven by internal wrangling,deserting true labour principles, the ALP needs some time in Opposition to rejuvenate its leadership and rebuild itself.

 

They do, but if the polls are correct we (thinkers) MUST hold some balance of power in the senate with independents and Greens and even Katters Oz Party.

I guarantee the Libs have a bunch of ideas under wraps that will not be revealed pre-election that will be very unpopular. They won't reveal them after the election either - they will wait for a trigger - to perhaps make us resigned to it, or at least less resistant to it. The Labor party, i think, had similar plans, but they totally screwed up politically, they were impatient and that was the beginning of Rudd's downfall imo.

Welcome to Australia and the forum.

 

Welcome AB, but what do you really expect from an organisation that`s based on envy, and run by union thugs?

p.s. AB, you`ll be expecting a few Kiwi jokes, and firing a few Aussie jokes back?

 

OH goody ,in 4hours time the Prim minister of australia Julia Gizzard will speak to us children about how none of the ALP government can addup,they missed the 'education revolution evidently'.

Oh and the royal commission into child Rape by the Catholic church will also expose the party of the Catholic church the ALP,

Forget GONSKI its Gonski!

Forget the NDIS its Gone the way of Gonski!

gee, and the revenues from the 'super mining tax'funding everything ,Gonski!

Manufacturing in australia,Gonski!

balancing of the budget Gonski!

ALP at the next election and the oldest party of capitialist Rule in Australia ,GONSKI!

And good riddence to the Party of Working Class BETRAYAL!

 

Are you refering to the Budget balanced sorry the mining super profit ,make it up as you go ,fund everything TAX is well ,GONSKI,from October to now $12 bn just evaporated ,they do not know what the 'F' they are doing .

things to forget .

Gonski ,NDIS,getting tax from any mining company,oh the Carbon tax ,gee great idea ,carbon price per tonne Australia $25 ,Europe [which it is based on ] $3 a tonne[yep we pay the difference with increased energy costs ].

Could someone please put this Idiotic government down ,crickey the greens have started the ball rolling goody fun day in the land of OZ!

Greens are goin off about 'Fix the Mining tax'!

Nutty or what !

sanity in Australian Government GONSKI!

 

You forgot to mention that the asylum seekers cost the federal Government $8 billion per month...
Something no-one knows....now thats an example of a Labor Policy which has Gonsky...!!!

 

All sanity in australian bourgeois Politics GONSKI!

the lunatics are truely running the Asylum!

mathematics out the door,and Gizzards ,budget based on John and his credit card ,WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT!


Truely the land of OZ,the ALP goes to new lows ,are they that insane that the think we believe the position of Gillard that the budget surplus has evaporated in the last 3 months ,and NO-ONE could see it coming ,OMG,as i said before she thinks us little nippers that must listen to Ms gillard our primary teacher .


5 more months of this and the whole National will be eligable for the NDIS ,oh they changed the name ,can't keep up with this lot ,UNBELIEVABLE ,any ALP supporters want to say something ???????


Gillard makes Mad Monk Abbott look good!

anyone else watching the latest and well far from greatest ,reality drivel TV ,celebrity Splash ,yep ,australian cultca hits new lows in Gillards OZ!

 

Good veiwing on the ABC ,tonight Gillards concentration Camp on Manus Island ,Qand A discussing 'what on the table 'means .now debate if class society exists,gee do we live in capitialism and as far as Class Warfare BRING IT ON with the WORKING CLASS mobilising in Class Warfare Mode.

Independently of the ALP ,ACTU and all the 'Community 'crap,if this government lasts till September it will be defying gravity .

Unbelivable , just decends into farce on vicious middle class crap about 'my comminty 'this 'Community 'that.

the class predjudice against the Working Class and thru no fault of their own the Poor is so thick on the ground as to be more then Obscene.

meanwhile ,indeed the bunyip alumni!

manners of pigs as they prance around with the self important ME ME ME ME!


Money junkies more like!

Boy am I looking forward to the SEP election campaign !

5 more months the way things are going could have the total collapse of the Economy in 5mths!

gonski MY oath gillard GONSKI!

 

Coalition now at $1.06 to win election....Labor @ $8.25....

 

Nearly 10% of GDP a year? I don't believe that. Where'd that come from?

 

Actually, modern "socialism" delivers economic mobility (one's economic success, despite one's economic origins) far more successfully than do neo-liberal economic measures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility

I once posted much better data related to economic mobility in this very forum, but it was years ago - i'm not sure i could find it now.

 

What they paying for the place

 

Whilst i agree there are troubling signs, our economy is doing very well by traditional measures and comparatively speaking. I really, really dislike it when politicians take excessive credit for the success we've had though. I mean, years (decades, centuries even) of political and business moves along with demographics and innumerable other factors are all in play. No, the Labor party is not to credit (much) or to blame (much) for everything that's going on.

You could blame or credit them if they completely removed government and regulation and after a couple of decades looked back at the results. Even then, international factors come into play.

 

JG Wayne, $8 billion a month is that right...
WS Jools...I cant remember..I thought it was $8 billion a year...uummm..let me think..aahh..no..I dunno...
JG Youre the f...n Treasurer Wayne..dont you know...
WS Ummm..I think I sent you an email about the cost...uummmm
JG I have a hand written memo...I cant read your f...n writing Wayne...
WS Ummm I think it was $8 billion a year...
JG Does that include Centrelink payments
WS Ummm no.....
JG No....wtf....what about the $100,000 hire for each plane trip..
WS Yes...thats included...
JG What about the hotel/motel costs to house them..
WS Yes thats included...
JG And the cost of running the detention centres..
WS Yes, thats included....
JG So is it likely to blow out...
WS Yes, with more boat people arriving...
JG ...wtf..thats more cost...how do I cover that...
WS...Put the Medicare levy up...
JG Ive already done that...
WS Impose a one off levy...
JG I did that for the floods....
WS You could put up the mining tax..
JG....Wayne...youre not much of a f...n Treasurer..
WS Well Im really just a glorified Tech. Teacher...but I was voted as the best Treasurer in the world...
JG....So..its $8 billion a year not per month..
WS Ummmm....yeah....
JG....We're rooted in September Wayne...absolutely rooted....

 

What is that? A real citation please.

Even that says 8 billion a year, not a month.

 

News just in...the you beaut NDIS is only funded for four years......who pays after that....the tooth fairy....!!!
Maybe just put the Medicare Levy up another .5%.....!!!