The Diary of Anne Frank 5.0, an update

OK, I remember you. Your the member that starts all the hate-on-Jews threads and posted hate on Jews messages.

 

Actually, I am the guy who does the exact opposite:

ZIONISM AND JUDAISM ARE EXTREME OPPOSITES!





[video=youtube;nMQ9C6vni0w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w[/video]

 

The only place you will find this garbage is on racist and Holocaust denier websites.

 

Like on the Jew's, Gilad Atzmon and the German magazine, Der Spiegel? Read the OP. Thanks.

 

The ball point pen was invented in 1888 by a fella named Loud. It went nowhere. Later, 1935, a guy named Ladislas Biro reinvented and perfected it.

The story begins in 1888 when John Loud, an American leather tanner, patented a roller-ball-tip marking pen. Loud’s invention featured a reservoir of ink and a roller ball that applied the thick ink to leather hides. John Loud’s pen was never produced, nor were any of the other 350 patents for ball-type pens issued over the next thirty years. The major problem was the ink - if the ink was thin the pens leaked, and if it was too thick, they clogged. Depending on the temperature, the pen would sometimes do both.

The next stage of development came almost fifty years after Loud’s patent, with an improved version invented in Hungary in 1935 by Ladislas Biro and his brother, Georg.


The Dairy of Ann Frank was written in 1944/45.

/fail and /end.

http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/ballpen.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diary_of_a_Young_Girl

 

The opinion piece link to Der Spiegel goes to National Vanguard, not Der Spiegel. National Vangaurd is all about race.

 

Homework for anyone who thinks nazi prisoners had ballpoint pens:

Find 1 other German document written before her death that was written in ballpoint pen, let alone one by another prisoner. And then, if you would, please explain why the BKA would lie.

 

Since you ended up ultimately linking to a racial supremacists site, my previous comment stands.

 

Just wondering why the links she put up in her opinion piece lead to Holocaust Denial sites? Can't you find a real story that uses actual proof not written by proven antisemitic Holocaust deniers such as Irving and National Vanguard?

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Heck with the canard laden blog connected to racist Holocaust denial sites, did you ever find that picture of the Jew prisoners lounging about the pool you said was for their use at Auschwitz?

 

Auschwitz III was supposed to be for non-Jewish detainees. Why was Anne and her mom and sister sent there?

There is nothing about the Franks working at the factory:

After their arrival and selection at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Edith, Margot and Anne stay together in a barrack. Auguste van Pels is most likely sent to a different part of the camp. During the day, the women have to work very hard hauling heavy stones or grass mats. They often have to stand outside for hours on end to be counted for roll-call, no matter how awful the weather conditions might be.
http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Fr.../The-fate-of-the-women-from-the-Secret-Annex/

Also, why did Otto Frank live the whole time he was in Auschwitz when thousand of Jews were being sent to the gas chambers every day?

Either the SS were just too stupid to follow the "Final Solution Orders" or there might be something wrong about the whole thing.

 

In my post #15, I made it clear that Anne Frank would have been gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau had she not been selected and sent to the slave labor camp known as Monowitz-Buna. The absence of a mention of an SS factory cannot be taken to mean that there were no factories at Monowitz-Buna. I can only surmise that Otto Frank was also selected for work at Monowitz-Buna where he would have been separated from his wife and daughters by living in the men's barracks. Routinely, Jews were selected for work instead of gassing and so their lives were spared until liberation by Soviet troops.

The IG-Farben industrial complex at Buna Werke in Monowitz labor camp. Some of the factories there are still in use today by the Poles.

 

Have you seen the revisionist research that pretty much shows that there were no gassings at the camps?
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

It's got me convinced, until some other research proves it wrong anyway.

 

Oskar Groening would disagree. He was there.

 

Sorry, but you are speculating, from what little Otto Frank has said about his time at Auschwitz we have:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Frank

Again, it makes no sense at all how stupid the SS Nazis were at killing the Jews. Otto Frank was in the main Auschwitz camp complex where thousands were rounded up and gasses every day. Why did they even waste their time with having a hospital and taking the time to treat and feed and care for the same people they were rounding up by the thousands and killing every day? Were these not death camps?

I can't believe how nutty the Nazis were. Why did they even waste the time and resources to move Anne and her other feeble family members hundreds of miles away to another camp where they just sat around and did no work? Why didn't they just put them in the gas chambers with all the other Jews and be done with it?

 

I have not read what Otto Frank said about his time in captivity. I do know that people are in the habit of referring to Auschwitz without making the distinction between the different camps there. We have lots of documentation about Auschwitz I (for political prisoners), Auschwitz-Birkenau (for killing Jews), and Auschwitz III Monowitz-Buna (for slave labor). If Otto Frank claimed that he was in the men's barracks at Auschwitz-Birkenau and later allowed to convalesce in a hospital there, then he must be mistaken. Auschwitz-Birkenau was a death camp. It's sole purpose was killing Jews. There were no factories there and no clinics to help Jews get better.

Only Auschwitz-Birkenau was a death camp.

I believe Anne Frank was selected to work at Monovitz-Buna. Otherwise, she would have been gassed. Some Jews were allowed to live for the purpose of exchanging them for German prisoners of war and also to provide slave labor. Bergen-Belsen was a concentration camp, not a death camp, although many thousands died there due to poor sanitation, undernourishment, and diseases such as typhus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and dysentery, any of which might have caused Anne Frank's death.

Main Gate at Bergen-Belsen

 

Why should your "beliefs" on where you think the Franks were taken be of any relevance. I'll go by what Otto Frank said, even though he was a money-grabbing liar.

Do you think you know more about what camp Otto Frank went to, other than what Otto Frank and the Anne Frank website said?

Otto Frank would have said he and his family were at a different camp if they in fact were at another satellite camp. He was there, you were not.

They were in fact all at the main camp complexes all right next to each other. But the Nazis were just stupid, in fact they let Otto Frank write letters to his brother in Switzerland (one would think Otto would have complained about the thousands being taken all around him to be killed a short distance away) . Also amazing is that the International Red Cross made several visits to Auschwitz main camps and didn't complain about the thousands being herding into the gas chambers.

But the Nazis must have had "dumb luck" and were not caught by them.

Some sources say there are falsehoods being told about Auschwitz...
http://rense.com/lets_stop_with_the_auschwitz_lies.htm.html

But, one must look at the facts about the camp---written in stone saying 1.5 million died there----

and believe it!

 

You can believe what you like.

No but some claims are incredible given the state of our scholarship.

What makes you so sure, I wonder.

Although the three principal camps were close to each other, so were some 45 satellite camps. They all had specific purposes. Of course, some letters were permitted to be sent from work camps which were heavily censored so as to give the impression to foreigners and the Red Cross that all was well. It is believed that the Nazis did create a so-called family camp at Auschwitz which existed for about six months in the event that the Red Cross would request to inspect Auschwitz-Birkenau.

No one acquainted with the facts will doubt that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau as well as thousands of others who died of heavy work, malnutrition, disease, and summary killings at the two other camps.

 

In our schools, we had "ink wells" And we used a type of pen that you could mount the pen to the holder. Dip the pen into the supplied ink well and start using ink to write with.



In high school, I favored the ink pen. It had ink inside the pen that you could fill over and over. I think back then Parker was my favorite pen.

I use ball points today , The Sanford Uniball pen - Micro

I am not clear why the Ann Frank Diary gets attacked. When I was in grade school, it was not then known of. I was in grade school when Frank still was alive. When I was in high school from 52-56, we did not use the Diary for any purpose. I recall it caused a stir when it first hit the book stands.

I have studied her story. I accept her story.

The history of the Nazis is not in her story. Her story had to be that of a girl confined to a part of one building in Holland.

She was hiding. She had little knowledge of what the Nazis did outside.

I advise those who hold an interest in the Nazis to put more reliance on the book by William E. Shirer called the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Schirer had very quickly access to the Nazi records and documents his findings. He never tries to exonerate the Nazi party.

 

I'll let a peer reviewed academic publication with a first class reputation of factual reference for centuries explain as Rense isn't in the same league when it comes to providing factual history.

Holocaust

""he systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. ""

 

Looking at the author of your link source I would like to introduce a word you may not be familiar with:

Objectvity
ob·jec·tiv·i·ty
ˌäbjekˈtivədē/
noun
noun: objectivity

the quality of being objective.
"the piece lacked any objectivity"
synonyms: impartiality, absence/lack of bias, absence/lack of prejudice, fairness, fair-mindedness, neutrality, evenhandedness, justice, open-mindedness, disinterest, detachment, dispassion, neutrality.

Now looking at the author of your Holocaust source we have your "peer reviewed" historian who MUST have no ties whatsoever with the people involved:

Michael Berenbaum



TITLE: Scholar, Author, Lecturer, Consultant

LOCATION: Los Angeles, California, United States

WEBSITES: Berenbaum Group, Michael Berenbaum's books, The Jewish Journal, Jewish Virtual Library
Associated with The Society for Military History, part of Encyclopaedia Britannica’s Publishing Partner Program.
BIOGRAPHY

Michael Berenbaum--a graduate of Queens College (BA, 1967) and Florida State University (Ph.D., 1975) who also attended The Hebrew University and the Jewish Theological Seminary--is a writer, lecturer, and teacher consulting in the conceptual development of museums and the development of historical films. He is director of the Sigi Ziering Institute: Exploring the Ethical and Religious Implications of the Holocaust at the American Jewish University (formerly the University of Judaism) where he is also a Professor of Jewish Studies. In the past he has served as the Weinstein Gold Distinguished Visiting Professor at Chapman University, the Podlich Distinguished Visitor at Claremont-McKenna College, the Ida E. King Distinguished Professor of Holocaust Studies at Richard Stockton College for 1999–2000 and the Strassler Family Distinguished Visiting Professor of Holocaust Studies at Clark University in 2000.

He was the Executive Editor of the Second Edition of the Encyclopaedia Judaica that reworked, transformed, improved, broadened and deepened, the now classic 1972 work and consists of 22 volumes, sixteen million words with 25,000 individual contributions to Jewish knowledge. The EJ won the prestigious Dartmouth Medal of the American Library Association for the Outstanding Reference Work of 2006.

For the three years, he was President and Chief Executive Officer of the Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation. He was the Director of the United States Holocaust Research Institute at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and the Hymen Goldman Adjunct Professor of Theology at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. From 1988–93 he served as Project Director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, overseeing its creation. He also served as Director of the Jewish Community Council of Greater Washington, Opinion‑Page Editor of the Washington Jewish Week and Deputy Director of the President's Commission on the Holocaust where he authored its Report to the President. He has previously taught at Wesleyan University, Yale University and has served as a visiting professor at three of the major Washington area universities — George Washington University, The University of Maryland, and American University.

Berenbaum is the author and editor of twenty books, scores of scholarly articles, and hundreds of journalistic pieces. Of his book, After Tragedy and Triumph, Raul Hilberg said, "All those who want to read only one book about the condition of Jewry in 1990 would do well to choose Michael Berenbaum… In his description of contemporary Jewish thought, he sacrifices neither complexity nor lucidity." Charles Silberman praised The World Must Know as “a majestic and profoundly moving history of the Holocaust…It is must reading for anyone who would like to be human in the post‑Holocaust world." The Village Voice praised Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp with, "The scholarship, broad and deep, makes this the definitive book on one of our century's defining horrors."

His most recent books include: Not Your Father’s Antisemitism, A Promise to Remember: The Holocaust in the Words and Voices of Its Survivors and After the Passion Has Passed: American Religious Consequences, a collection of essays on Jews, Judaism and Christianity, Relgious Tolerance and Pluralism occasioned by the controversy that swirled around Mel Gibson’s film, The Passion. Johns Hopkins University Press has recently published a second edition of The World Must Know. He is also the editor of Murder Most Merciful: Essays on the Moral Conundrum Occasioned by Sigi Ziering The Trial of Herbert Bierhoff.

Among his other works are A Mosaic of Victims: Non‑Jews Persecuted and Murdered by the Nazis, The Vision of the Void: Theological Reflections on the Works of Elie Wiesel, and Witness to the Holocaust: An Illustrated Documentary History of the Holocaust in the Words of Its Victims, Perpetrators, and Bystanders. He was co-editor on several works, including The Holocaust: Religious and Philosophical Implications (with John Roth), The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown, the Disputed and the Reexamined (with Abraham Peck), and most recently, The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It? (with Michael Neufeld). He is the author of A Promise to Remember co-editor of Martyrdom: The History of an Idea.

https://www.britannica.com/contributor/Michael-Berenbaum/4530

 

And so, is an expert. Did any of the thousands of reviewers and experts dispute his article? As I said, EB is the most accurate reference and historical fact publication on the planet.

 

There has never been an honest and open public debate on the Holocaust in the West. Open debate on the subject is banned in many countries. It is hardly different now with non-partisan historians questioning anything outside what the Holocaust industry says---than it would have been for heretics questioning the Bible during the Spanish Inquisition. Historians and others who dare question the experts which are almost exclusively Jews themselves will be sued, denounced, and slandered. Not many have dared taking them on, obviously.

So as we get back to the OP, the question of the Franks, why were so many Jews like them, who were sent to actual "death camps" for months, allowed to live? Thousands of Jews and others should have been killed every single day get the 1.5 million figure at Auschwitz alone (revised down 4 million). An intelligent person would have their doubts about the whole thing.

So the Jews wouldn't have liked being sent to concentration and work camps anymore than the Germans sent to the Soviet Gulags, the Americans sent to Japanese camps, and the Japanese sent to American camps. If you were to entertain the possibility that only two or three hundred thousand Jews perished in German camps from generally poor treatment and disease---then why would so many Jews be so forceful in their current story that 6 million of them died as part of a Final Solution order? Perhaps if you looked at this as a criminal case in a court things might be more clear.

What is the motive for so many of the Jews claiming the 6 million Holocaust figures?

Revenge on the Nazis/Germans---naturally.

Sympathy for their ethnic group---super-victims get more $$$ in aid.

Vast sums of money---over 90 BILLION dollars from Germany alone---with an extra 12 million alone to Jews from the US--including vast millions from movie, etc.

A Jewish homeland in Israel.

http://rollingout.com/2015/10/07/ob...s-12-million-reparations-holocaust-survivors/

So exaggerating suffering has paid enormous dividends over the years. And to admit that any of the these dividends were unfairly given would be unthinkable.

So looking at Mr. Berenbaum for your source of "truth" in the Holocaust case---he wouldn't be a credible defense attorney OR even a witness---because of his outlandish bias. Mr. Berenbaum has only worked for his ethnic group and has been part of efforts to get the US to pay 60 million to his people.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt155jjnz

Again, there is not a word in EB article about any controversy, or any other claims by historians that go against the current Holocaust story by Mr. Benebaum & the Holocaust industry.

In other words, one would be as foolish thinking one have all the information on the War on Terror by getting all one's information from Taliban survivors and Taliban historians.

 

""Again, there is not a word in EB article about any controversy, or any other claims by historians that go against the current Holocaust story by Mr. Benebaum & the Holocaust industry.
"
Holocaust denialists are a hateful yet fringe group that ignore historical fact so why would a world class reference encyclopedia waste bandwidth on freak like that?