The distorted reality of the Law Enforcement narrative

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, and we should also start with good cops stopping bad cops like the criminals they are when they are caught doing bad things

    the bad cops should cooperate with the good cops and the good cops should not abuse or use excessive force on the bad cop
     
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    And people they don't like are often those giving them crap.
     
  3. FreshAir

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    which does not justify them escalating the situation if it can be deescalated, we expect cops to be the good guys
     
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    i answered your question with hard facts you couldn’t handle. More cops shoot in US because we have more violent crime. 7k blacks kill each other a year, what’s the number in canada, germany? How do gun related crimes compare. The US black on black homicide is astronomical compared to those countries a d so is gun related crimes.. no wonder there are more cop shootings but still low number relative to arrests, crime, assaults vs cops. In 2018, there were around 50,000 assaults vs cops in Us, what’s the stat in those countries?

    it’s lazy for you to do that comparison without looking at crime stats and other stats i providr above

    here, study this:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ics-disprove-the-big-lie-about-police.587485/
     
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  5. Mike12

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    Posted below in another thread, many went quiet, some hard facts to counter:

    Let's do an in depth analysis on assaults vs police, crime stats and police shootings. Let's try and put it all together.


    assaults vs police 2018

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

    58,866 officers were assaulted, 18k of whom sustained injuries

    This is significant, that out of so many assaults on officers, 18k of them being injured, only 1,000 citizens were shot by police in 2018? This shows remarkable restraint on behalf of police officers, acomplete opposite picture of 'police brutality'


    crime statistics 2018

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/violent-crime

    1.2mm violent crimes

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    So, Blacks are only 13% of population yet committed 27% of the crime, that's twice as much. The most striking is murder, 53% committed by blacks even though they are only 13% of population. Pretty much, blacks are overrepresented in violent crime - 28% rape, 54% robbery, 29% burglary, 30% larceny... overall 37% of violent crime committed by blacks, that's 3 times more than their representation in overall population. What does this mean? expect more violent altercations with police in black communities vs white communities, proportionally.


    police shootings, 2018

    998 shootings (23% black of them black, 45% white, 16% hispanic). Only 4% were unarmed.

    https://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigation/police-shot-killed-nearly-1000-in-2018/

    Twice as many whites shot vs blacks, where is this covered on CNN, MSNBC?

    Lastly,
    Unarmed black men being shot? 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT'? no epidemic at all. A myth. The real problem is homicides. This is the real epidemic.

    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice

    "Much of modern policing is driven by crime data and community demands for help. The African American community tends to be policed more heavily, because that is where people are disproportionately hurt by violent street crime. In New York City in 2018, 73% of shooting victims were Black, though Black residents comprise only 24% of the city’s population."

    "Nationally, African Americans between the ages of 10 and 34 die from homicide at 13 times the rate of white Americans, according to researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Justice Department."

    "The number of unarmed Black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began. There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year. The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of that total."
     
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    Just saying, over 99% of police interactions don't go down badly. Want to join me in patting them on the back for that?
     
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    totally agree, those are good cops, we should all support good cops

    now if good cops stopped bad cops in the act, that would be wonderful too
     
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    yes. Have you lived in inner cities where crime runs rampant? Parents teach kids bad values and are largely absent. if you try to be a kid who wants to study and obey law, your friends ridicule you and call you a sell out. You have to wear your pants half way down (which btw was a sign of being a sex slave in jail) or not fit in. You have to see women as objects and whores. Gangsta is being cool, normal law abiding is not being cool. The black family has broken down, single parenting skyrocketed vs where it was in 50s, 60s…. Going to jail is a badge of honor. Disobeying cops is standard..

    Tell me pal, which white man is teaching this? It’s the parents. What’s worse is that the rich black men today blame it all on whites, rappers glorify the gangsta life. How will there be progress if that’s the excuse for this broken degraded culture

    Has anyone told you not to live in the past and accept personal responsibility? Sure you have heard it, maybe you should spread the message around these communities instead of blaming the invisible enemy and deflecting from the real issues
     
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    So, you're saying that over 99% of cops are good cops?
     
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    the war on drugs is causing this, it funds gangs and glorifies the gang life

    going after people for having a little fun, also loses societies respect for the police

    end the war on drugs
     
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    Absolutely I believe that, most cops are good

    just like most citizens are good

    it's the bad apples in both groups I have issues with
     
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    The question is why does USA police kill 4x more then Canada, 30x more then Japan 30x more then UK, and 16x more then Germany when crime rate is similar.

    USA crime rate 47.70 vs Police killing 33.5 ( per 10 million)

    Canada crime rate 41.39 vs Police killing 9.8 ( per 10 million)

    UK - crime rate 46.7 vs Police killing 0.5 ( per 10 million)

    Japan - crime rate 22.19 vs Police killing 0.2 ( per 10 million)

    Germany - crime rate 35.79 vs Police killing 1.3 ( per 10 million)

    What Are Police Like in Other Countries? (cfr.org)

    Crime Rate by Country 2023 (worldpopulationreview.com)

    All you want to do is provide some statistics to prove African American are commuting crimes and police has no choice but to kill them. you want to blame African American, you want to blame media for not converting police killing whites, you want to blame BLM and liberals.

    Get real man. In USA there is a problem with policing. You can blame everyone as much as you want, but statistics don’t lie. In Canada, crime rate is 41% compare to 47% in USA yet , USA police kill 4x more then in Canada. If we go to Japan or Germany it is astonishingly high. But yea, its media’s fault!
     
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    Then shouldn't we give them some credit for that instead of attacking law enforcement as a whole? I mean blacks are taught that the police are out to get them.
     
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    I did in this very thread, I said we should all support good cops, and all condemn bad cops, I say that over and over

    what I think we need to push more, is that good cops need to take action to stop or even arrest bad cops like the criminals they are when they are caught in the act, not just stand around and witness it
     
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    Mama needs to teach her kids to respect and obey the police. Like I was taught as a child.
     
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    If I am starving, and I steal food, or something to sell for food.

    Should I go to jail for that?
     
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    When you steal you take from another person without their permission. That's not nice, and it can put you in jail. Stealing anything is not an option.
     
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    Hi again, Mike 12.

    Continuing our discussion, and not straying from the original line of inquiry, you have stated that the difference between the crime statistics for Blacks and whites is due to culture.

    Both Blacks and whites are Americans. Why do you think there's a difference in culture?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    ask blacks. let’s you and i get Charleston White on zoom call, he may help you out with the answer. See below and let me know your thoughts.

     
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    please read the stats i have shown which prove we don’t have a problem with police brutality, i have posted the stats, you have ignored it. 50k thousand assaults vs police, 18k of which resulted in cop injuries, millions of arrests and we only had around 1k shootings? Do we have 50k assaults against police in canada? Do blacks kill 7k blacks a year in canada? Do those countries have the same gun related crime? Do civilians in canada and germany respect cops more than here? You bet they do. Clearly, you see the picture. Your arguments present some facts and ignore a multitude of other facts. So you can tell me US had 1k shootings of civilians by cops but did you also look at assaults against cops? It’s 50k in US, what’s the same in canada or germany? It’s a two way street here, you cannot just look at one way offenses as the other side dictates this to a large degree. We have much higher rates of violence vs cops and gun related shootings.. cops react to crime and violence. Why aren’t cops terrorizing safe communities? Then i would agree we have a cop problem. Usually these incidents are in ferguson, memphis, detroit, baltimore, chicago… where the crime is… cops are underfunded and in part this exacerbates the problem. How can we have enough cops who are better trained when we don’t fund them? These are the policies that make the problem worse.
     
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    Hi for the last time on this thread, Mike12.

    We appear to have reached the limit of your knowledge on what we've been discussing. Thanks for the chat.

    Regards, best wishes to you and yours.
     
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    As I show in my status USA crime rate is 47.70 vs UK 46.7 , or USA 47.70 vs Germany 35.79 but killing by cops the difference is astronomical.

    you can blame black people as much as you want ( I have very good idea what adjective to describe you but the forum rule forbid me to do so) , you can point all the black city as much as you want. Fact is police in America treat black Americans differently then white.

    Here is a picture of a white boy with gun who ended up killing two people and this is how police treat him. I wonder what would happen if a black 17 years old walking around with Ar-15.

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    the us went thru a period in the 70s the same as now, that was found to be returning veteran with PTSD on the force, i have read of multiple tours of duty with solderis taking psych meds on duty, yet nobody mentions any of our prior knowledge base, just same old, same tired argument as in 1970, the American people dont seem knowledgeable past slogans, one reason i am getting more and more tired of endless slogan based bickering
     
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    They can't. This is the problem that needs solving.
     
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    you are the very same thing you accuse me of because you don't really care about blacks, i do. 7k blacks gun each other a year and the left or people like seem to not care. All you care about are the roughly 15-20 unarmed blacks killed by cops, why? Not caring about the 7k blacks because they were killed by other blacks and only caring about the less than 1% killed by cops is the very definition of racism? Why do i say that? because it seems to some a black lost at the hands of another black is worthless... the life is more valuable when lost at the hands of a white cop. During the same week Floyd (a drug addict criminal who had robbed a pregnant woman at gun point) got killed, black children got gunned down by gang members. The life of these kids meant nothing... only the life of the career criminal who resisted arrest. You tell me what is wrong with this... search your soul.

    no they don't when you adjust for crime. You throw out these stats without doing your homework. You have to look at crime more in depth. You need to focus on crime that police are most likely to react aggressively to. Just saying Canada, Germany and US have similar crime rates in general is an incredibly lazy way to look at it. Let's look at crimes which are most likely to result in violence... i.e. violent crime

    Homicide rate (per 100k). US 5, Germany .95, Canada. 1.76. So in US, homicide rate is 3-5 times higher.
    Serious assault (per 100k). US 246, Germany 164, Canda 150
    Robbery (per 100k). US 86, Germany 44 , Canada 61

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country

    get the picture? Violence in US greatly exceeds violence in Canada and Germany. Is this a surprise? Germans and Canadians enjoy a high standard of living and just simply less violent. Germans and Canadians are MUCH MORE respectful of police too. Take Guns, US has extremely high gun violence vs these countries and that greatly contributes to police who are trained to neutralize gun threats quickly and can act if civilian disobeys. Then police know Americans are more violent and have a lot more guns, police are more on edge. This is like basic stuff but you are too lazy to delve deep into stats and facts. Violence against police is far greater in US than in Canada and Germany. In US, 50k cops are assaulted a year, approx 17k injured. Cops react to this, do you get that? A cop's life is much harder in this country which has a culture of disrespecting cops and where armed violent criminals are everywhere. If we Americans were less violent and respected cops more, cop incidents would be much less. Why do we want cops to do better but not us? Seriously, this is all basic, do you homework, don't make me do the work for you.

    you mean these people? they are EVERYWHERE! during Atlanta protests, teenagers were roaming streets with high powered rifles... i mean, geez... do your homework. Where have you been?
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