The divider-in-chief

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Wherever he goes, Trump has to pick a fight. Yesterday he picked a fight with nearly the entire White House press corps. He threw out CNN's Jim Acosta for trying to ask a question, and threatened others for asking questions he didn't like.

    Trump picked a fight with French President Emmanuel Macron over European defense just as Air Force One landed in France today.

    "President Macron of France has just suggested that Europe build its own military in order to protect itself from the U.S., China and Russia. Very insulting, but perhaps Europe should first pay its fair share of NATO, which the U.S. subsidizes greatly," Trump tweeted minutes after landing in France.

    Macron has suggested that since the start of Trump's presidency, the US has been seen as a less reliable ally. Trump just proved it with his divisive tweet. He should have dealt with Macron one on one and kept his Twitter shut.

    But that is not Trump. He has to pick a fight.

    We now have a divided government. We now have a divided populace.

    And clearly there is a chasm between ourselves and our European allies.

    Who is responsible for this widespread divisiveness? Clearly, it is Donald J. Trump. Everywhere he goes he needs to insult somebody. It is his nature.
     
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    This is the Presidents bombastic style. He relishes fulminating against those who disagree with him.

    If one can’t be famous, be infamous!

    The WWE should make him a heel...
     
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    Macron was insulting. Trump's insult bears more truth than Macron's. Europe does need to pay its own way.
     
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    President Trump threw Acosta out for assaulting a female intern.....Acosta should have been arrested.
     
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    Sounds to me like Trump and Macron are in agreement- France, not the US, should be protecting France.
     
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    He relishes fulminating against those who agree with America. Prior to Trump taking office, Europe and Canada were two of our strongest allies. What does Trump do? He invokes harsh steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and Europe, weakens our commitment to NATO, and picks a fight with the leaders of Britain, France, and Germany.

    This is exactly what a communist dictator of Russia would want an American President to do.

    Think about that for a moment.
     
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    Macron was reacting to what Trump is saying. Based on Trump's statements, which include MAGA and his avowed desire to be a nationalist, the U.S. is less reliable as an ally of Europe.

    During the Obama administration, NATO passed a resolution requiring member states to pay at least 2% of their GDP for their defense. Trump and his fans tend to overlook that binding resolution. Besides, that is no reason for Trump to renege on our commitment to Europe.

    Please think about the consequences if Europe fell to unfriendly forces. We don't support Europe for their security. We support Europe for our security.

    Trump and his followers are too short-sighted to realize that. It is one of several reasons why Trump is very dangerous.
     
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    Macron said they needed to defend themselves against the US. If Trump had said the US needed to be able to defend itself against China, Russia and France, , no matter what the prevarication, the left would have gone wild.
     
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    BS. Exactly how does Europe contribute to our security?
     
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    False flag. The OP just refuses to agree with ANYTHING president Trump says or does. Another hour another negative Trump rant.
    Europe would be speaking German if it were not for the US. Time for Europe to manage their own defenses or pay us for being the ones who do.
     
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    Aw, geez! Good Lord, do you vote?
     
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    We are talking Europe here, not just France. In 2014, Russia aggressively annexed a part of Europe, Crimea. Russia continues to threaten Ukraine and Eastern Europe.
     
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    And why would that be more of a threat to the US than to Europe? Europe needs us more than we need them. Europe needs to pay a bigger part of the cost.
     
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    “We have to have a Europe that can defend itself alone — and without only relying on the United States — in a more sovereign manner,” Macron said.

    I noticed you and all other Trump fans didn't want to touch these comments.

    "[Trump] relishes fulminating against those who agree with America. Prior to Trump taking office, Europe and Canada were two of our strongest allies. What does Trump do? He invokes harsh steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and Europe, weakens our commitment to NATO, and picks a fight with the leaders of Britain, France, and Germany.

    "This is exactly what a communist dictator of Russia would want an American President to do.

    "Think about that for a moment."
     
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    Read the post you are responding to. I said, "Please think about the consequences if Europe fell to unfriendly forces. We don't support Europe for their security. We support Europe for our security."
     
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    I am not going to comment on the second part of this gibberish.... but are you seriously suggesting that we don't support Europe for their security? Are you OK, not feeling confused or disoriented? Jeez :D
     
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    I am all for it. Save us a bunch of money.
    It is more of a mutual effort. However, we can get along better without them than they can get along without us.
     
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    I know you won't comment on my statement. You forgot the first part of the statement. I said, "Please think about the consequences if Europe fell to unfriendly forces."

    Russia has already annexed a part of Europe, Crimea, and she continues to threaten Eastern Europe.

    The idea that this is "gibberish" is interesting. Do your sympathies lie with Russia?

    Trump relishes fulminating against those who agree with America. Prior to Trump taking office, Europe and Canada were two of our strongest allies. What does Trump do? He invokes harsh steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and Europe, weakens our commitment to NATO, and picks a fight with the leaders of Britain, France, and Germany.

    This is exactly what a communist dictator of Russia would want an American President to do.
     
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    It is quite clear Trump and his followers want the U.S. to shed its allies. They want Trump to isolate America in the spirit of nationalism, MAGA. "You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word," Trump said.

    Is it any wonder why Putin wanted Trump to be President. That is exactly what a Russian agent in the Oval Office would do to weaken America.
     
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    What most of us would like is for the other NATO nations to pay their fair share.
     
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    Glad, you're not trying to defend that "we don't support Europe for their security" nonsense you posted in your previous post, I suppose there is some common sense still left in your head ;) :D

    Now, that being said.... If Europe itself does not worry or does not care about falling to unfriendly forces to the extent that they refuse to pony up measly sums of money they are required to contribute to NATO for their own defense, if they are suicidal there is very little we can do and there is nothing we should. The idea that they can blackmail us with "if you don't defend us we'll surrender to Russia" kind of nonsense you're spewing here is totally absurd gibberish....well it worked on Obama of course but it's still absurd gibberish lol

    Nothing can be further from the truth. We merely want the allies to show that they are real allies and not freeloaders by contributing fair share to the alliance, which is what allies are supposed to do, don't they?
     
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    I actually prefer a president who is a fighter instead of a weakling like Obama who spent so much time licking foreign leaders shoes his tongue got raw.
     
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    This is getting really old. You sound like a broken record. Democrats and Republicans have been saying that for years. Obama said it. It is far from an original concept. That is no reason for Trump to weaken the alliance. Our security is tied to Europe's security. Trump is too incompetent to know that, and you seem to agree with Trump.

    NATO members made a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending

    In other words, NATO members are working toward that goal.
     
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    Nonsense? In other words, you think we support Europe for their security, not ours. Speaking of nonsense.

    Speaking of nonsense. That analysis was quite humorous, but I agree with you in one respect. That is how Trump thinks, and if the 29 NATO members don't do as they are told, they can forget U.S. support. That is how Trump thinks.

    You have not been listening to your buddies. Most show distaste for France, Germany, and Britain. They support the nationalistic view of MAGA, and Europe can go to hell.

    Do you read what your buddies say? Sound familiar?
     
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    So . . . just like Trump did with Putin. Great.
     

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