The electoral college needs to go, its broken and only serves to disenfranchise voters

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  1. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Explain the farm bills then.
     
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    Thank you for confirming you cannot prove your claim true.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    I did the farm bills go to the poor farm states
     
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    You continue to have my pity.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Whether Trump wins the EC or not, he will lose the popular vote by more than 10M and I hope that if the EC robs the will of the people back to back for the most incompetent and dangerious president in history that there will be riots in the streets, that the state legislatures will be stormed and via the anger of the people, force the states to radify an amendment to end the electoral college, be it out of respect for the voice of the people, fear of the US looking Illegitimate, or fear for their own safety, the EC must end!
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So with a wave of your magic hand it is decreed that Trump WILL lose the mythical "popular vote" by 10 million or more? How fascinating, you must REALLY know your stuff.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the virtually impossible event that California had all but 49 people, it would carry enough electoral votes to single-handedly win the presidency.
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    You should take this act on the road.
     
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    He's a well-educated, highly intelligent man of the world - and he says so himself.
    Never mind he doesn't know how to use a spell-check.
     
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    https://newrepublic.com/article/154723/texas-bracing-blue-wave-2020-yes-texas

    If Texas turns blue, which it looks possible as of 2020, (Those 3 states that trump won by 70K combined votes will also be blue) RIP GOP Losing Texas would have meant no wins since Clinton for the GOP.

    So if it happens feel free, to jump on board with ending the electoral college via constitutional amendment and going to a national popular vote, not that you will fair much better with that ;)
     
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    I think bringing DC into our democratic system is at least as important.

    Today, DC has more people than 2 other states have.

    Yet, they are not even allowed to pass their own state budget, and have no representation in congress.

    It could be made a state or it could be folded into the states from which it was created.

    Either way, people in DC would have the equal representation that they absolutely do NOT have today.
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You’re a sore loser who’s miserable. We get it. Now get the F over it.
     
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    The EC is not broken, it works exactly as the Founding Fathers intended. Look at the 2016 EC map and you will see a sea of red. The Founding Fathers wanted the the President to be elected by broad support of the country. Talk about changing the EC is nothing more than 'Hot Air', because changing anything in the Constitution would require a two thirds of both Houses of Congress and then would have to be ratified by two thirds of the States! Do you really think there is a snow balls chance in hell of that happening?
     
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    So if the GOP loses Texas, you don't think they will want to get rid of it. Democrats would be a lock for the president for the distant future, since they are not losing any of the states we won under trump, and MI/WI/PA will go back to Dem. (We would have won with texas in 2016)
     
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    You cleared that up for the ignorant losers who are being led down the primrose path by Hillary. If these fools would read their history so they understand the EC they would not utter such foolishly ignorant comments. But it's hard to console liberal losers because in their minds they really don't lose and there is no end to their excuses.
     
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    It's really sad that so many American citizens are ignorant of our Constitution and the principles that our country were founded under!
     
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    The EC has been around forever. The fact that you just figured it out and how to use the system to win elections explains why Democrats should never again be voted to the Presidency. The only reason Hillary won the popular vote is that Trump knew he couldn't win CA, NY, or IL ,,, so he didn't waste time campaigning in those states and didn't waste money there. The Presidential election is an IQ test. The Democrats failed the test.

    Change the rules and Trump will certainly campaign in the most populous states and nab votes he forfeited under rules you don't like.

    It's telling that Democrats didn't pass the repeal of the electoral college when they had both houses of Congress and the White House. There was plenty of time to get the states on board.
     
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    The GOP is finished as far as the president goes if Texas turns blue, I am sure you will sing a different tune when the EC makes it impossible for the GOP to ever win again.
     
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    With the Democrats' slate of Stalinists and Maoists, I doubt Texas will turn Blue. In fact, they will probably lose ground vis-a-vis 2016. Trump will likely win some moderate Democrats. You won't find out until after the votes are counted on election day since few will admit which way they plan to vote for fear their families will be targeted by violent progressives.
     
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    We cannot continue to have elections won by a minority of the electorate and still call ourselves a democratic-republic with a straight face. The original purpose of representation in the House and the electoral college was to secure the ratification of the Constitution by southern slave states, because it was based not on the population of the electorate itself, but the population of adult white males and three-fifths of the slave population - i.e. recognition of southern wealth in people, otherwise counted, for tax purposes, as "property." House representation and the electoral college were the fig leaves of the southern sin of slavery.
     
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    The current Electoral College system allows a candidate to win the Presidency while losing the popular vote.
    I think that every state should adopt the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

    The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. The compact is designed to ensure that the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide is elected president, and it would come into effect only when it would guarantee that outcome.[2][3] As of July 2019, it has been adopted by fifteen states and the District of Columbia. Together, they have 196 electoral votes, which is 36.4% of the Electoral College and 72.6% of the 270 votes needed to give the compact legal force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
     
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    Call it whatever you'd like except Venezuela, which would have been the alternative if Obama had a 3rd term. He already did enough damage.

    If you don't like what has worked for 240 years, propose a Constitutional Amendment. Alternatively, you can tell voters in some blue states to stay home. After all, their leaders have committed to give their states' electoral college votes to the winner in CA, NY, and IL.
     
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    The issue with just outright doing away with the EC is that it would only serve to disenfranchise anyone not living in major, high-population states. That was the point of the EC to begin with, to ensure that candidates have to listen to EVERYONE, not just the 10 biggest states, while ignoring every else.

    The problem is that the EC was badly designed, and it went from cadidates only caring about the largest states to candidates only caring about the ones that can give them the post electors. The EC had ensured that democracy is meaningless in this country, by allowing a minority to elect the president, even if that president doesn;t get anywhere near a majority vote.
     
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    There was never a great drive to change it. Before the XV Amendment, "freed slaves" were blocked from voting. Before the XIX Amendment, women weren't allowed the vote. And, even with these amendments, the right to vote has been a struggle into the nineteen sixties, with remnants remaining until today. Universal suffrage has made the electoral college obsolete and it's time to change it, to reflect the gradual trend to universal suffrage.
     
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    ,,, And watch the lawsuits when candidate A wins in, say Wisconsin, and the electoral college votes go to candidate B. Just a continuation of the temper tantrum starting in 2016 after being crushed ,,, by the party who attacked Trump for being non-committal about accepting the results of the election. How do you tell people in NM, for instance, to go to the polls after telling them their vote doesn't count? In 2000, FL was called before the polls were closed in the Republican panhandle, so people went home without voting.

    The one constant is that Democrats are always throwing temper tantrums.
     

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