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The electoral college needs to go, its broken and only serves to disenfranchise voters

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sackeshi, Jul 10, 2019.

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    People have the right to vote for whomever they want - and thus, virtually unlimited choices.
    Nothing can do this.
     
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  2. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Wholly and completely unnecessary.
     
    TOG 6, Jul 11, 2019
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  3. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Par for the course.
     
    TOG 6, Jul 11, 2019
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    None of it makes sense. For example, I live in rural red america and make my living operating a small e-commerce company that I started 21 years ago. Others who live in my area are a veterinarian, an owner of a truck service business, an owner of a flooring company and even a few farmers. None of us interface much with any kind of government but appreciate that it is there. It is a matter of freedom really. City people want safety and convenience and are willing to give up a lot of freedom to have it. Out here we want freedom and are willing to give up safety and convenience to have it. We don't have fast internet or cable TV or even natural gas. We also don't have traffic, drug deals, homeless and noise. Two Americas and neither should interfere with the other.

    Since more people live in big cities than out here in the country the entire red part of the US would have to live under big city rules with no say in it. We all need federal government. We just need a lot less of it. Then it won't matter so much to the city people.
     
    fmw, Jul 11, 2019
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  5. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    :lol:
    Funny! Good one!!
    :lol:
     
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  6. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So it has nothing to do with the present.
     
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  7. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That’s hilarious. Which cities and states are uncivilized ??? Which cities and states are civilized ???
     
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    Something is necessary.

    Representation today is nowhere close to equal.
     
    WillReadmore, Jul 11, 2019
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    Damn. This is such a damn stupid post and wholly un-American.

    Why it is so damn stupid?

    If you and I play chess and I take out your King, but you suddenly jump up and say, NOPE! NOPE! I took more of your pieces, I should be the winner, does that make sense to you? A popular vote contest was not being waged. If it was, Trump would have campaigned in California, New York, and Illinois. NO ONE knows what that outcome would have been, because no one fought that fight. I could have targeted more of your chess pieces, if that was the game being played, but it was not. It's a fool's argument to claim Hillary's popular vote makes Trump illegitimate. NO ONE was trying to win the Popular Vote, because it doesn't matter.
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    Why is it un-American?

    The U.S. Constitutions largest, most specific and detailed portion is the part on the Electoral College. Article 2, Section 1, and the 12th Amendment were vital to the formation of the United States of America. Without the Electoral College as designed, we would have no nation. If we take it out, then we will.... HAVE NO NATION. We will fracture and the remaining "nation" will dissolve as pure Democracy means an end to Private Property rights, which is another foundation of this nation. Also, the states that decide to remain will forfeit leadership to urban areas. The food producers, raw material producers, etc. will have no say in Presidential leadership and you will have disenfranchised them completely.

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    Most of the nation was not for trump, most of the states were. Two very different things.
    You either believe in equality or you don’t.

    Yes, I am totally sure the founders who believed in slavery, not allowing women to vote only male landowners and in counting people as 2/5’s of a person counted on “media bias” as reasoning for their actions. Ffs


    Look at all that vacant land that voted for trump!
     
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    Not a single acre of land voted for Trump.
     
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    That’s hilarious. Excluding California Trump won the popular vote.
     
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    According to one poster the red land is uncivilized.
     
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    I wasn’t referring to white voters, I was referring to the ‘silent generation’ and evangelicals.

    But ok...
     
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    To those who want to abolish the EC -- why not stop voting for a president and just let the gov of California and the gov of NY pick the prez. It would be the same thing.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) I don’t have a party, my past votes have leaned conservative if anything

    2) Your sad attempt to dodge the point is noted
     
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    I wonder if you would have had the same position on slavery or women not being allowed to vote, “well it’s the law and how it’s always been done so oh well...”
     
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  18. Socratica

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    That's a complete non-sequitur...
     
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    Excluding states that receive more in federal taxpayer support than they give Clinton won both the EC and NPV. You could also exclude the states with the lowest GDP or lowest in educational ranking for the same result.

    What’s your point?
     
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  20. cd8ed

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    It's really not. Justifying a law by saying that’s the law isn’t really justification.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The people on the land just had their votes multiplied due to all of the vacant land around them.

    Same difference
     
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  22. Socratica

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    It's only justification in your mind. It's a law; everyone agreed to abide by it. If you have a problem with it, you can either: a) try to change it, or b) worked within the system.

    If you've done the former or the latter, you have no grounds to complain, especially when you lose.
     
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  23. TOG 6

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    Most of the nation was also not for Clinton.
     
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  24. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said they were, what’s your point?

    Also, please don’t edit my posts down to take things out of context, it calls your integrity into question.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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  25. Socratica

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    Based on the framing of that sentence, it's implied.
     
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