The Emerging Religion of Wokeness

I’m Canadian too
Oh and I edited that last so you missed a piece it looks like

 

Live and let live. As long as another's rights are being trampled on.

 

I'm not Canadian.

No idea what you meand by 'edited'.

 

Shucks, bad guess on my part.
I edited my post that you quoted.
Anyway, what about the other statistic categories I asked about. Do you think that they are important when considering if African Americans and white Americans are on an even playing field?

 

The statistic is that white Americans are in second place. That's all that matters, in terms of playing fields and white people.

Evidently the playing field is tilted in favour of those who aren't white. Assuming you actually believe it has anything to do with the field itself, and not the efforts of individuals.

 

I’m not sure I could leave it at that. I don’t think the statistics would show that African Americans are the wealthiest demographic in the USA.

 

Your position was that you suspect white people are at the top of the ladder, yes? You were concerned that they may have the 'field' tilted in their favour, yes?

Well now you know that they don't. And since white people are second on the ladder, that can only mean that people who are NOT white have an advantage, rather than a disadvantage. Their specific ethnicity is not relevant, in terms of your primary concern that white people might be at the top.

 

I don’t really have a position, I was just trying to understand you. I think you might be referring to Asians having more wealth than white people. I’m not sure. I was asking more about African Americans not being on a level playing field because we were discussing colour blindness and the quote from MLK. That’s really what I am more interested in but that tangent has now developed s tangent of its own lol.

 

You seemed to be asking/suggesting that white people may have the field tipped in their favour. Clearly, they don't.

The minutia of ethnic difference within the non-white cohort is not at all relevant. All that matters is no one can claim that whites have an advantage.

FTR, that non-white cohort at the top of the stats, includes African migrants. You might want to ponder on that for a bit, if you have some kind of fixation on the African derived groups.

 

Can I see the stats you are referring to? None of what you just said seems clear to me at all.

 

Here is what Wikipedia has based on US census data 2006 for the year 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Income

 

There is not a completely level playing field no, because society is not completely colourblind. We were making excellent progress in that direction. The Woke have become a new barrier to it.

 

The above buys into the group focussed prejudice that is the basis of both old school bigotry and Woke bigotry.

People are individuals. There are plenty of rich individuals who are white, and plenty who are not white. The existence of neither changes anything for the poor white or poor not-white.

And giving an easier ride to the rich black kid so he can get into Harvard does absolutely nothing to help the poor black kid in the ghetto. It only obscures problems and massages statistics for race group averages.

 

Even racism itself should be approached in a colourblind way.

Is racism against black people, for example, actually really about them being black? No. It is about them being different. It is about them being othered, due to what they look like. It is about us forming snap decisions and prejudments about them just because of something as superficial and meaningless as the colour of their skin. And that is what should be focused on. It doesn't matter that the black skin is what is being used as the excuse. It could be that, or it could be sexual orientation, or id could be having Jewish ancestry, or it could even be having red hair. And yes, the excuse could even be them being white, if that is used to prejudge them as racist or rich or whatever.

The moment the Woke buy into black people being somehow inherently different in any meaningful way just because they are black, they join the fight on the wrong side of racism.

The same applies to presuming people are different based on any other race they may be, and using stats of group averages doesn't change that. There are plenty of poor asian people too, and they deserve just as much help as poor black people do. To suggest otherwise is racist and heartless.

 

Like Charles Murray who wrote that he found that on IQ tests, a certain sect of Ashkenazi Jews scored the highest, Orientals second, whites 3rd, blacks 4th, is branded a white supremacist?????
Blacks not scoring as high as whites on standardized testing is systemic racism while orientals scoring higher than whites is not.

 

@Jolly Penguin

So if I hear you right, you are saying that poor people should be helped because they are poor, not because they are black. Is that accurate?

 

As level as an NBA playing field. The racial disparity on the NBA field has nothing to do with uneven playing field in favor of blacks. The "playing field" in the US is level except for this constant indoctrination blacks are subjected to in order to convince them that they are oppressed victims of racism.

 

the irony is diversity training is now about accepting 'foreign outsourcing' to many corps - don't complain about your jobs being outsourced overseas - that's racist

 

Walmart vs. Whiteness. The company’s new training program tells hourly employees that they are guilty of “internalized racial superiority.”

Racially Segregated:

Racial abuse.

 

Correct.

 

Thus any claims of white privilege or white dominance/oppression, are clearly BS.

 

If you're asking whether whites have an advantage over non-whites, the answer is clear. They don't.

That's the only fact which matters, to anyone propagating the lie that whites have an advantage over minorities. And that is exactly the premise of those who claim systemic racism. They're saying minorities are at a disadvantage BECAUSE whites are at the top - not for any other reason.

 

Are you saying that in support of whites, who are in second place? Do you feel that minorities (who are in FIRST place) are oppressing whites?

 

Exactly.

 

I guess it’s clear to you but not to me.