The English baby that the British health plan want to kill should tell everyone a lot

To argue for the peaceful demise of a terminally ill patient (baby or adult) doesn't mean anyone wants DEATH, but that one understands that there is no more hope for a productive or even (in this case) vegetative life without extreme life support assistance.

Obviously the UK universal healthcare system doesn't want death of anyone with any potential of productive life. Look at Steven Hawkins, and how long he has been helped by the UK universal care system!

 

Terri husband milked it for what it's worth.. Charlie's mom is so pissed off ( can I say that here?) I don't see it in her..


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Explain to me your term of a "productive life" what does that even mean?


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Give me a reason to click on it - please.

 

OBVIOUSLY Charlie Gard can't! That has already been established, and NEVER contradicted by anyone, not even the American researcher!

Steven Hawkins developed his ailment AFTER he had already completed a very productive life, after graduating, after having done extensive research, after having married.

Baby Charlie Gard will NEVER get beyond where he is now. . .although his body will grow into an adult one (if life support keep him alive long enough), but his brain is already fried!

If he makes ANY progress (Improvement, as per the US researcher), he might be able to get off extreme life support, and maybe even reach the level of a 2 year old paralysed child!

As a social worker specialised in working with people with developmental disabilities, I have been helping people lead "productive lives" in spite of their disabilities.

That is, I have had clients who have spent 30 or 40 years of their life lying in a bed, with tubes coming out of their nose and feeding tubes coming out of their stomach, with complete muscle atrophy, and no ability to recognise anyone (including their parents. . . whose visits have become very rare and take the "feeling" of visiting a cemetery), and voice their pain and frustration through loud howling and streaking that are very hard to take for their care givers and for the other people in the nursing home, and whose death come as a true relief to everyone, including (mostly!) to the afflicted parents who spent those 20 or 40 years feeling the guilt of not being able to relate to that body without brain lying in the bed, with a catheter to prevent urine spills, but bowel movement controlled only by adult diapers.

And I have had clients who, in spite of their paralyses, in spite of their Down's Syndrome diagnosis, in spite of their severe cerebral palsy, in spite of their autism, in spite of their below 70 IQ (the requirement to receive services as developmentally disable people) were able to express feelings, to learn, to move around, to communicate (verbally or not), to love, to cry, to WORK (in sheltered workshop or even in grocery stores bagging groceries), to learn to make simple food. These latter group was FULLY functional in spite of their disabilities, and I would have put my life on the line to fight for their rights, to get all the services they needed to pursue that productive life!

Does that answer your question?

 

Give me a reason to give you a reason...WTF?

 

apart from the fact that the baby is essentially brain dead.
Garbage.
You obviously don't know our death panels are run by the insurance companies
Have you ever lived in the uk?
Clearly not.
My parents both died in the uk. They both had superb care.
Keep the gov out of my Medicare that's what the trumpie said
And you do know admin Medicare costs are a few %, insurance 20 %

 

I always paste up what I have found in a source that I believe supports my position.
Why else would anyone want to click on a link?

Just copy/paste something you think is good from your source and I will read it. I tend to respect your opinions not content empty links.

 

Whatever you've got to tell yourself to feel good dude God forbid you read something

 

LOL! I will read any text that you have enough faith in to actually post on this forum.

 

and whose death come as a true relief to everyone,


So it comes to a relief of everyone? So the burden is over for everyone except the person trying to survive? How convenient..

What a load off their mind it must feel except Charles parents are still fighting.

 

So you'll read the link I posted for you to the case?

 

You will never convince me death is preferable to life..

Never in a million years..


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Of course I read the link.

Since you are not my law clerk, I will read the case as soon as you paste up anything from it that actually supports any position you have taken on this thread.

 

I'll take that as a no then. Carry on

 

I don't get why this is such an issue with the left? I dare say this but it looks like Nazism to me.. why do the left care that Charlie should be put to sleep..? Did you create this baby, why does your feelings triumph over the parents?

 

You really don't get it, do you? The person who is so severely disabled doesn't have the means to KNOW what it is to live, or die! They "survive" in a sort of fog that is in no way related to "life." There is no joy, no pain (only the discomfort of laying in one's faces or the pain of being fed through a tube inserted in one's stomach), they don't have any means to recognise people, not even their daily care provider, but much less their "parents" who visit (at best) 1 or twice a month.

That person is not "trying to survive!" It doesn't even know it is "alive," since it really isn't!

 

So does the left believe in God after all?

With all the science and denying god they promote.. does the left really believe in God? It appears to me they do because they think Charlie should just die and go in a better place.


Interesting...

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Funny I used to work with a bunch of retarded people at a company down here in South Carolina..it was a special section that I used to go in and they loved to see me when I showed up..

I didn't see them as different or should die.. once you get to know them I inspired them..


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Dear, there are at least as many Leftists who believe in God than people on the Right. We may not be as "enamoured" with brain washing and bible quotes, but those of us who believe in God have this that separate us from the right wing hyper religious crowd: We put more value IN GOD and less in RELIGION. . .which is at the opposite of what evangelical talibans like to do!

 

That person is not "trying to survive!" It doesn't even know it is "alive," since it really isn't!



Do you have a link for that?


How can you even say that with a straight face? Enquiring minds want to know


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How does a ant know its Alive how does little bacteria knows it's alive?

 

I lived in the UK for 4 years, raising two children there during that time. We ALL received excellent and free care. My mother visited us often for extended periods, and she also received FREE CARE DAILY to deal with a potentially dangerous deep wound on her leg.

And, for those who want to , they can get care from the national health services, and go to a specialist in private practice to get a second opinion or try for experimental treatment. It is not ONE OR THE OTHER. . .it is both if you choose (and can pay for the private practice specialist!).

 

Of course you cherry pick what you want to justify and throw away the rest.

It's fun isn't it?
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No, I do not have a "link" for that. . .because I do not need one!
I have had clients whose death was a relieve to the family. I have witnessed "bodies" laying in beds for over 20 years, with every attempt being made to avoid deep ulcers . . . (pneumatic mattresses with for-ever flowing movement to avoid pressure on their frail body parts), I have, myself, change the diapers and the sheets of these people in an attempt to give them a little more comfort and make them more "human." I have had parents cry on my shoulders because of the guilt they felt in leaving their adult child in that room, year, after year, and their inability to relate to that horror that lay in front of them.

I have LIVED it. Whether or not you believe me is immaterial.