The entire Senate is going to the White House for a briefing?

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  1. TomFitz

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    It has all the hallmarks of a Trump stunt.

    It is bizzarre

    It makes no sense at all, and appears to serve no useful purpose.

    It commands needless attention and resources.

    And every one is talking about it. Which is what Trump gets off on.

    This guy is dangerous......
     
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    A paper kitten with nuclear weapons that can kill 15 million people in the ROK in 12 minutes.
     
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    I have a feeling had his predecessor summoned the entire congress to the White House, you'd be applauding his diligence and bipartisanship.
     
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    How does that make him any more insane than say Brezhnev?
     
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    Sorry but I'm not going to allow you to move the goalposts. You asked for evidence that Li'l Kim is a madman. I gave it to you.
     
  6. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right. And we'd see all the Democrat members of Congress on TV, applauding the President's respect for the Constitution and the powers of the Congress.

    Not going to happen this time though. If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times .... Democrats love war ... if the president is a Democrat.
     
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    If the President was made aware of a real threat to the United States of one of our allies, and he did nothing, and North Korea did something stupid, what do you think these bozos would be saying then? Yes indeed, un-****ing-believable

    And that's the bottom line.

    And we should oblige. Waiting for his idiocy to tip into lunacy, that's simply not prudent.

    Yeah, funny how under closer inspection, the BS threats no longer seem to have so much BS...

    Abusive? Since when is letting the members of the United States' Senate in on what's going on with respect to a nation whose leader is threatening to launch nuclear missiles considered abusive? I could use a lot of words for it, but abusive wouldn't be one of 'em.

    Could very well be. Maybe we should let the meeting happen, and find out.

    Uh, a delivery system that puts Seoul, Tokyo, etc. minutes away from being wiped off the map? Is that not a serious enough change for you?

    I would not be surprised. This is a serious situation. The Senate should be made aware of what we're up against, and exactly why the administration considers it a serious situation. I imagine it would be difficult to get the Senate to back a declaration of war without making it clear what the threat really is. It would probably be best not to wait for Seoul to be reduced to ashes before getting the Senate involved in the discussion, don't you think? Why is it the very people who accuse Trump of wanting to act like a dictator are now finding it somehow ridiculous for members of the Trump administration to brief members of the Senate on North Korea? No, seriously, somebody want to explain that?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was against our actions in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Libya, Indonesia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua and so on.
    None of these engagements represented a significant security risk to the homeland.

    I can not say the same for N. Korea.
     
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    Pure politics.
     
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    Seems the left complains and condemns Trump for not consulting or informing congress. Now, this consultation must be abuse and the senate is being "marched" to the white house like captives. The obvious fact is that the intent is for this meeting to be private- which the senate would not be. The situation with N Korea is one of potentially high risk that has been escalating quickly; we have a dingbat dictator with a huge ego, nuclear weapons and ICBM's, who is believing his own propaganda.

    Sounds like a meeting that is very appropriate to me. Of course if it has anything to do with Trump, it must be evil in some way- right?
     
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    No, I would not.

    But then, his predecessor would not have engaged in the sort of dumb stunts that seem to be Trump hallmarks.
     
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    War generally lowers poll numbers so why would you think it is to improve poll numbers? If it would improve poll numbers then it would seem to indicate that a majority of people support going to war.
     
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    Can you say "Welcome to the Donald Trump Reality Show!". Massive photo ops required, considering the lack of progress he has so far made and he always has to look like he's in charge. Image over substance seems to be the MO.
     
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    You think it's appropriate?

    Why?

    You don't even know what it's about.

    And as for informing Congress. He's only talking to the part of the North side of the building. Mitch McConnell will read about it in a tweet, I guess.

    Oh, and why do we have to spend a bunch of money making a makeshift secure auditorium, when we have several real permanent ones on Capitol Hill, just down the street.
     
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    The chicken little hysterics coming from the right trying to polish trump's turd is laughable.
     
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    You pointed out that he's a dictator. Numerous communist dictators throughout history have done nearly identical things and weren't madmen that needed immediate war.

    You have yet to point out anything that makes him "a madman".
     
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    But then, why do we spend so much money accommodating people who want to argue over things that make no difference, just to be obstinate and impede process?
     
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    OK, you want to play games, I get it. We're done.

    If not a madman, what would you call a person who has so little respect for human life as to murder hundreds of his own underlings as this pathetic little spoiled piggy has done?
     
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    What is an underling ? Regardless - a leader killing those viewed as opponents does not make that leader mad. It makes him a whole lot of other things but ... I would not say this person is necessarily mad.

    The quest for power and economic gain makes people do evil things. Would you say that killing people (innocent civilians) in the quest for power and economic gain means that the people doing the killing are mad ?
     
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    Your average dictator.
     
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    The OP was clearly an unbiased report of events followed by a legitimate question. What seems to be your problem?

    Is now merely stating facts prejudicial to Trump and a "partisan conspiracy theory?" Get real.
     
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    None of us are privy to the actual details, so you are asking for pure speculation. A lot COULD have changed. They may be close to having ICBM ability, in which case there would be a legitimate concern of NK selling that to Iran. There could have been existing intelligence that Obama was simply waiting out the clock until the end of his term etc etc. The possibility's are literally limitless. The fact that this unusual step has been taken seems to indicate that it is something of a serious nature.

    Perhaps you should stop speculating and wait until you hear something more concrete before spouting such concrete hate filled opinions?
     
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    It would seem that believing that you can dictate to the world because you are so powerful, when in fact your nation is the armpit of the world and desperate- would seem to indicate a substantial gap between this persons mind and reality. The lack of logic behind the N Korean leader's actions certainly say he is able to see himself and his power as being some sort of superhero... and that's nuts. Whatever you call him- it's safe to say he is extremely dangerous and unpredictable.
     
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    I was responding to the claim that Kim was "mad" simply on the basis of him killing people.

    When has N. Korea tried to dictate to any other nation never mind "the world" ? What country has N. Korea attacked since the Korean war ?

    I do not see any lack of logic in the leader N. Korea doing what he can to defend his nation against a large power who has labeled 3 nations (Iran, Iraq, North Korea) the "axis of evil" - and then waged war on one of these nations (Iraq) on the basis of lies and misrepresentations.

    Is it not perfectly logical to expect that the same fate might be in store for his nation ? A nation that refuses to talk to him and try to work things out ?

    Is it not logical for Kim to try and defend his nation against this overt aggression.

    I would agree that in the face of overt aggression - most humans (and animals for that matter) become more dangerous and unpredictable.
     
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    I just did an intensive internet search on this supposedly historic conference where the entire Senate is to go to the White House for a briefing on North Korea. I made this search after spending two hours watching Fox News.

    Regarding this historic conference, nothing, absolute zero. Fox shed no new light on the conference. All the information on the internet is a day old, although one thing is more clear today. Trump invited the Senate to come to the White House.

    Yesterday's story that Senate Majority Leader McConnell had anything to do with it was a lie created by the White House. "This is a Senate briefing convened by the majority leader, not a White House briefing," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said. "We are just serving as the location." With the exception of Spicer's comments, any stories related to McConnell as it pertains to the historic briefing have been removed from the internet.

    Today, 24 hours later, there has been no reaction from McConnell. There has been no reaction from any member of the Senate or their staffs. There has been no update of this momentous and historic briefing. In fact, for such an epic meeting, the silence from the usually talkative body is deafening.

    All the rhetoric came for Trump himself. And that was yesterday. Today, Trump said nothing about this historic meeting.

    Did he just play the fool's card again? This time on the United States Senate? If so, it is easy to see Senator McConnell seething. And Trump pulls this crap when the Senate is facing a financial crisis.

    I honestly don't know, but, if there were anything to this, why is there absolute silence on a history-making event? Today, I have drawn a complete blank. Maybe someone else was luckier.
     

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