The Erdoğan/Trump Slaughter Has Begun

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  1. Natty Bumpo

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    Republicans savaged Trump Wednesday for allowing Turkey to attack US allies in Syria

    Turkey launched its military operation to flush Kurds allied with the US out of northeastern Syria sparking outrage in Congress, creating rare bipartisan unity about the risks to the Kurds, US national security interests, regional stability and the fight against ISIS.

    Trump apparently gave Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan the go-ahead on Sunday to proceed with his long-planned move against Kurdish fighters who make up part of the Syrian Defense Forces and who lost thousands of men fighting with the US against ISIS.

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    As Turkish planes pounded Kurdish positions from the air and with artillery ... desperate civilians -- women, children and men -- fled the area on foot, some pushing others in wheelchairs, many crammed into the back of pickup trucks...

    "President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is," [Erdogan's top adviser] Gulnur Aybet said from Ankara on Wednesday. "He knows what the scope of this operation is."...

    "News from Syria is sickening," Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third-ranking Republican in the House, tweeted Wednesday, echoing lawmakers across the spectrum. "Turkish troops preparing to invade Syria from the north, Russian-backed forces from the south, ISIS fighters attacking Raqqa. Impossible to understand why @realDonaldTrump is leaving America's allies to be slaughtered and enabling the return of ISIS."

    Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio noted that "at request of this administration the Kurds served as the primary ground fighters against ISIS in Syria so U.S. troops wouldn't have to." Then, he charged, the administration "cut deal with Erdogan allowing him to wipe them out. Damage to our reputation & national interest will be extraordinary & long lasting."

    Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland on Wednesday announced a framework to place immediate sanctions on senior Turkish government officials, ban all US military business and military transactions with Turkey, and immediately activate 2017 sanctions on the country until Ankara stops its operations against the Kurds.

    "This unlawful and unwarranted attack against an American friend and partner threatens the lives and livelihoods of millions of civilians, many of whom have already fled from their homes elsewhere in Syria to find safety in this region," Graham and Van Hollen said in a statement.

    "This invasion will ensure the resurgence of ISIS in Syria, embolden America's enemies including Al Qaeda, Iran, and Russia, and launch yet another endless conflict in what had been, until today, one of the most safe and stable areas of Syria and a region experimenting with the best model of local governance currently available in that war-torn country."

    Brad Bowman, senior director of the Center on Military and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies -- a veteran with 15 years active duty service -- reflected the sentiment of many other Republicans CNN spoke with, describing the day as "a sickening and shameful moment in US history and I put that at the foot of the President."

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/news...-republican-anger-grows/ar-AAIzJbO?li=AAggFp4

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    “Reports indicate Turkey is predictably attacking the Kurdish allies we abandoned. It’s a tragic loss of life among friends shamefully betrayed. We can only hope the President’s decision does not lead to even greater loss of life and a resurgence of ISIS”
    https://www.ksl.com/article/46653169/mitt-romney-says-kurds-shamefully-betrayed-as-turkey-attacks-in-syria
     
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    I wonder if there was any quid pro quo involved. :)
     
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    I think it is reasonable to call Erdogan a murderer. If so, then it is reasonable to call Trump an accomplice to murder.
     
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    You guys just like the Obama Syria method. Drone civilians until we find an enemy!
     
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    What would you call a president who drones civilians?
     
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    Wrong thread.
     
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    Blood money.

    January 10, 2017

    Trump has a licensing deal to use his name on two luxury towers in Istanbul, one commercial and the other residential.

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    By his own admission, the project, for which he earned up to $5 million in 2015, presents complications for the incoming President. “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump told his future White House strategist Steve Bannon in December 2015, during an interview on Bannon’s radio show. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.” [To clarify, that's TWO (2), not ONE (1)] Trump also has a licensing deal with Dorya International, a Turkish design company, to manufacture Trump branded furniture. These substantial holdings may already be shaping Trump’s stance toward Turkey... When Erdoğan called Trump after his election, according to media reports, Trump used the occasion to praise his Turkish business partners, whose corporate shares leaped after Election night. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump’s incoming national security advisor, wrote an op-ed on Election Day that cast Fethullah Gülen, a cleric based in the U.S. whom Erdoğan publicly accused of orchestrating the failed coup, as a “radical.” As President, Trump will have the power to extradite Gülen.

    https://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/

    Trump on Tuesday defended Turkey as a NATO ally and strong trade partner of the United States one day after he was savagely criticized by Republicans for his decision to withdraw U.S. forces from northern Syria.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-defends-turkey-in-wake-of-fierce-gop-criticism/ar-AAIsjar
     
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    Do you agree with repuplicans now ? Whats going on here ?
     
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    Mitt Romney "Russia is our greatest Geopolitical threat"
    Left wing LOL!
     
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    Did you read the article? You can't possibly be proud of this? Our young soldiers in Syria are shamed by Trump. They fought shoulder to shoulder with these Kurds last week.
     
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    Lol.... they are fun uf they weren't so damn delusional.
     
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    The moral depravity derives from mindless idolatry. Cults are like that.
     
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    We've fought and left many soldiers of many nations that we should have NEVER been in.

    And yes I read the article. You responded to my question which was "Do you prefer the Obama method of droning civilians until you find an enemy?"
     
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    So you do not support droning civilians in Syria? You can't make up your mind!
     
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    You're a riot.. You think Obama was operating drones?
     
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    It is okay though, as those being killed are mostly brownish. (sarcasm)
     
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    Just sayin'.

    Trump On Turkey: ‘I Have A Little Conflict Of Interest ... It’s Called Trump Towers’

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/conf...syria-kurds-turkey_n_5d9bb7bfe4b0fc935edf5be0

    “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump boasted in response. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They’re amazing people, they’re incredible people. They have a strong leader.”

    He said then that the situation was “complicated,” adding, “I thrive on complicated.” Trump did not reveal what he would do in the region if he were to become commander in chief.
     
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    Their sordid antics now befoul the nation. The more of Trumpery that is exposed, the more frenzied the writhing of the cult.
     
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    Well what do you all want us to do, stop every fight or potential fight in the middle east? When do our troops finally get to leave that region of the world? At what point of us leaving will it NOT create an incentive for some one to start killing some one else?
     
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    Republicans who are voicing their moral outrage and denouncing Trump's blatantly crapping on American values in this repugnant episode should be acknowledged. Not all have sold their souls or sold out their nation.
     
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    I agree with Americans - Republicans, Democrats and Independents - who champion the nation's moral values.
     
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    Your hyper-partisan, desperate attempt at diversion is acknowledged.
     
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