The EU is in a mess paying Turkey ransom money every year

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    If the EU doesn't pay, all the displaced people from the wars in the Middle East detained in Turkey'll be let into the EU so the EU pays billions every year to Turkey to stop this.
     
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    Every year? I thought it was a one-off payment. Blimey no wonder the charlatans want to keep us paying our subs for as long as they can screw them out of us! They'll hang Brexit out for the next 10 years if they can.
     
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    Sounds like a business deal to me.
    EU doesn't want to deal with something, so it wants to hire Turkey to take care of it.
     
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    There are the sceptics amongst us who wonder just how much Turkey does 'take care of it'? Probably gives it a passing thought now and again, and considers making some kind of practical gesture. We're talking about the EU here - they simply dole out a few billion euros then instantly forget about it. I reckon the Turks are on to a nice little earner for years to come.
     
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    Well for a start we should not have gone for regime change in Libya if we did not want more refugees.
     
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    There is no question that Turkey is taking care of it. You seeing thousands of refugees coming over every day? Turkey does though see it as something they can blackmail the EU with. Was suggesting they might open the gates when they were having a fight with Holland.
     
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    Turkey has been overrun with refugees in both Gulf Wars and now the Syrian war. I don't blame them. Our actions have consequences.
     
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    As almost always, things are a bit more complicated than this.
    It's important to note that Ankara itself doesn't get money from Brussels, though Erdogan would have wanted it that way. EU money goes to NGOs, humanitarian organisations, the international red cross, national red cross organisations, doctors without borders, etc. These groups apply for money for their projects in Turkey (usually close to the Turkish-Syrian border), Brussels send its people to check what the project is, whether it should be supported and how it could be supported. Erdogan doesn't see any of that money.
    Whenever Erdogan threatens to do something, it's mostly rhetoric directed towards the Turkish people, it's simply domestic policies. Whenever he criticizes for instance the EU, Germany, the Netherlands, etc., it's food for his voters.

    Several delegations made up of members of the EU parliament have been to Turkey in the last six - seven months to take a personal look at the situation in Turkish refugee camps and not one report said that Erdogan is about to cancel the deal.
    Plus, Turkey has considerable problems with its economy at the monemt and has already asked Berlin for help (quite bold move IMO, given the fact that Sultan Erdo has been attacking Germany and the Netherlands verbally for weeks by calling them nazis, but - again - it's all domestic policies). Considering its economy, Turkey is very dependend on European support. A few years ago, I read that three quarters of all investments in Turkey are EU investments. This is hypothetical, but if the EU really stopped these investments, Turkey's economy would collapse rather quickly. Neither side is interested in this, thus it's very unlikely to happen.
    German language skills needed.
    http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/...bt-um-deutsche-wirtschaftshilfe/19711592.html
     
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    Just because my plumber can't or won't fix my shower, doesn't mean it's his fault my bathroom is under water.
    And Turkey has been respecting this deal, turkey is full of refugees, Europe isn't.

    The problem here is that people seem to think that Turkey needs to fix this because they have to and that if you see one immigrant in the street you can blame Turkey for it. But in reality, Turkey won't fix the issue, and they're not paid to fix the issue either, they are paid to make life in Europe look nicer, free of immigrants.

    I wonder how much money EU paid so far. All I find is that 3 billion has been approved, but how much has already been paid?
    I don't want to jump to conclusions too fast, but I won't be surprised if EU isn't really respecting the deal.
     
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    Turkey inna mess bustin' at the seams with Syrian refugees...
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    Turkey Feels Strain as World's Largest Host of Refugees
    June 20, 2017 — This U.N. World Refugee Day sees Turkey designated for the third consecutive year as the country that hosts the most refugees.While Ankara continues to stand by its policy of welcoming refugees, tensions within the country appear to be on the rise.
     
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    Let them come into the EU once Brexit is over.
     
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    Lords knows Germany could do with some more colour and mosques.
     
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    What Germany doesn't realize yet, these refugees aren't as industrious as the Turks. I doubt Germany will find any place for them in their factories.

    Despite the public perception, most of the refugees pouring into Europe are not coming from Syria. So perhaps the Syrian refugees in Turkey are not as bad, comparatively speaking. Syrian society at least had some semblance of civilization, before the civil war, which is more than can be said of the majority swath of the population in other parts of the Middle East.
     
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    Re post number 10

    So where's my text then? [​IMG] I think I've been hacked! Must be those pesky Russians. :mrgreen:
     
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    Turkey are helping in Syria, or ISIS, or both. IDK, I know for sure it's Syria that see's Turkish forces helping Russia.
    Turkey are Turkey and Turkey borders the EU and Iraq. The EU can't sanction Turkey for what Turkey are doing because the Turkish haven't annexed any parts of the EU and aren't an EU member. Turkey are a country, Poland is a country that's trade union's state so it can't do what it wants without the EU sanctioning it.
    That's the difference between being in the EU and not being in the EU, you get to decide what you can do. There's nothing stopping the EU doing what it wants to do with the UK but the EU aren't the world's only market and, why not have other trade deals? Why buy German when we can buy American? VW cheat their emissions and run a cartel for themselves and other German auto companies that they don't already own.

    The EU pays a ransom to Turkey, the UK sells £100m worth of planes to Turkey en route home from meeting President Trump.

    We got £100m back from the EU by proxy. - It's better than nothing, I guess.
     
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    Also, Germany have said their umbrella won't insure German capitalist ventures in Turkey anymore.
     
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    I would wager big bucks that we will never leave the EU.
     

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