The fraudulent claim of air and the Apollo 15 flag.

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  1. Scott

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    "Hey Scott" you're not qualified to assess my credibility. You are the one who appears to have no education in the sciences needed for this discussion, and as everyone can see are point blank refusing to answer the straight forward questions and requests. I expect more spam or a link to a link to a link with you saying you've already "addressed" them, when you haven't.
     
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    Hey Soupnazi:

    Do you agree with what Betamax said in post #11?
     
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    Hey Scott do you have anything which has not been proven wrong?

    All of your old posts and you tube videos have been proven wrong.
     
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    Translation;
    I can't say I agree with what Betamax said because I'll look silly and I can't disagree because I'm on his side and he'll look even sillier so I'd better tap dance around the question instead of answering it.
     
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    It is you tapdancing and evading he has crushed you and you know it.
     
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    Now why not pretend to be a truther instead of the spammer you are:-

    1. Did his flag billow?
    2. Did the Apollo 15 flag billow?
    3. Did his flag move before he reached it?
    4. Did his bedsheet move when he did his mad jumping routine less than 18 inches away from it?

    The answers are YES, NO, NO and NO. What are your answers? Tell the "viewers" why that doesn't conclusively destroy your claim.


    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.
     
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    No your translation is as false as your claim of evidence proving the moon landing is faked.

    So answer my question what evidence do you have.

    Your you tube links and previous posts do not count as they have been absolutely crushed
     
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    You seem to be trying to bury this.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

    The hoax proof is crushing. Once people have seen it, there's really nothing you can do to make them think we really went to the moon.
     
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    No It is not crushing it has been crushed.

    You keep repeating what has been proven false so answer the question.

    What evidence do you have?

    None of your precvious posts or links count they have all been absolutely debunked.
     
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    The serial forum spammer seems unable to respond to this post. All he can do is spam his links and make the same crap ad-hominems. This guy is no more a truther than my garden gnome.
     
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    You've discredited yourself several times on this forum.

    (post #21)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=438617&page=3&p=1065704882#post1065704882


    On those three issues you said some pretty lame things to maintain your position. What's the point of going on now that the viewers have seen that your not a serious poster here. You're not here to seek the truth. You're here to obfuscate the truth.

    I don't know how many viewers are actually reading that info but you're not going to sway any of the ones who read it with your rhetoric. You may sway a few who don't read it. There's not much I can do about that.

    This is a classic tactic that you pro-official story posters use. You don't recognize when you've lost and you try to muddy the waters with irrelevant stuff. Here's another example.
    http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?145609-The-Flag-Anomaly-Proves-the-Hoax-by-Itself
     
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    No he never has but you have.

    Your claims of anomalies are what have long since been proven wrong.
     
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    Quit being a jerk and answer the questions. You are totally cornered and the "viewers" can see it.

    Your version of lame is not recognised as the definitive one. You seem to be of the delusional opinion that you are the arbitrary source of truth when you are fairly consistently wrong in almost everything you post.

    Translation:-

    I am a big fat coward who would be laughed out of the mystical debating hall. I cannot answer any of the major rebuttals made by anybody, so I will create bogus litmus tests to avoid responding.

    I cannot answer the following because it would give my game away, so I have to keep avoiding them with useless inaccurate observations and diversion:-

    1. Did his flag billow?
    2. Did the Apollo 15 flag billow?
    3. Did his flag move before he reached it?
    4. Did his bedsheet move when he did his mad jumping routine less than 18 inches away from it?

    The answers are YES, NO, NO and NO. What are your answers? Tell the "viewers" why that doesn't conclusively destroy your claim.


    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.


    It should be a piece of cake for you to prove how "lame" my statement was, yet apparently you are unable to!
     
  16. Descartes

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    C'mon Beta - Scott says that anyone can hang a piece of cloth and walk quickly by it as in the apollo 15 video - and that cloth will move just as we see in the video.

    I have tried this and it is true! A very simple experiment to do...

    I think that you bring up some very good points but how do you explain that this simple test seems to match the vid?
     
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    Film it and put it online.

    I find it just a little suspicious that this is your first post in support of a known serial forum spammer. I have indeed tried this experiment myself and it is hogwash. Jarrah White actually ran past his flag and it made no movement until he was level with it. Quite how you can actually see such a movement in the split second it takes is also extremely suspicious.

    [video]https://youtu.be/1xyG2aXH7Ik[/video]

    As can be seen the first movement is towards the approaching object.

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    According to your remote spam log at the basketball forum, I am "checkmated", yet here we are with you presented with a trotting video that refutes your claim, a gif that shows the first movement towards the object and a list of questions and requests that remain unanswered. You have no integrity, no credibility and are the opposite of a truther.
     
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    You're not duplicating the exact conditions. You are moving the object under the cloth.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyG2aXH7Ik


    The Apollo astronaut trots by at the same level as the flag. He's not under the flag. This is a pretty lame attempt at obfuscation. Film an experiment that duplicates the conditions.

    Apollo 15 flag waving
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HzwSzVQ8gI
    (2:35 time mark)


    (from post #4)

    Those other condition you keep asking me to address are just your attempt to muddy the waters because you know that a real experiment that duplicates the conditions in the Apollo footage duplicates the movement of the Apollo flag.


    Here's the segment from Jarrah's video he's referring to.

    MoonFaker: The Flags Are Alive. PART 1.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ
    (8:30 time mark)

    Jarrah does not run by the flag at a forty five degree angle so the conditions are different. If you want to prove something, you have to perform an experiment that duplicates the exact conditions.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064030792#post1064030792
    (excerpt)
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    There are two movements of the flag. The first one is at the 8:56 time mark of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QrvGmfUxRA

    The second one can be seen at the 00:47 time mark of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    The second one is so clearly caused by air that the the first one is moot. Betamax is trying to draw attention away from the the movement when the astronaut is closest to the flag because he knows his sophistry isn't swaying any viewers with an IQ of ninety or over.
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    The first movement is caused by a wall of air that hits the flag in the middle as it's at a forty five degree angle. Jarrah runs by the flag at a ninety degree angle and then along side it. You can't prove anything by comparing the Apollo scenario with a different scenario.


    It's really hard to tell but again, the conditions are not the same so this doesn't prove anything.


    The conditions are completely different so this is irrelevant. Post a link for the viewers.


    We see that it's pretty easy for you do film stuff and post it on YouTube so do an experiment in which an object as wide as an astronaut passes by a hanging piece of cloth at a forty five degree angle without touching it. Show views from different angles such as from above, below, in front, etc.
     
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    I am moving an object no less than 8 inches away from the cloth. Since you claim the astronaut didn't strike the flag and post a video showing him taking a path more than a foot away from it, you are extremely dishonest to complain about it. My other video shows what happens when a very wide book approaches a very flimsy easily moved object!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJyv4TYpTKo

    What complete nonsense. The direction of the airflow is the experiment! In terms of the direction it makes no difference vertical or horizontal. A hanging cloth does not duplicate a balanced flag on a pole and support. Running in a room doesn't duplicate running outside as there are internal air currents and flat reflective surfaces.

    Translation: My claim is hogwash and I will make up any complaint to avoid admitting it.

    Then we have the customary spam repeat of the same old videos!

    But you said trotting by your stupid cloth duplicates it! Jarrah White did a reasonable facsimile of the Apollo 15 flag and failed at every avenue.

    Debating you is like speaking with a child. You keep reiterating the same claim without acknowledging the rebuttal. Having the flag straight on compared to angled away, increases the chance of it moving by a considerable amount. You playing dumb, or being dumb, doesn't make that "go away".

    Translation: I know it billows but I daren't admit it because it closes the case.

    The second one is caused by his elbow. It is moot because you are too entrenched to admit it. Jarrah White showed quite clearly that the astronaut's path took him into the edge of the flag. Your blatant dishonesty is appalling.

    Translation: The Apollo 15 flag clearly does not billow but I cannot admit it because it closes the case.

    Repeating the bullcrap claim doesn't make it any more real. The "wall of air" doesn't exist.

    It's hard to tell? Yet you claim to be able to see it in one pass whilst trotting by a cloth? Liar! It is easy to tell. Frame grabs show it doesn't move until he is level with it.

    Translation: I know it doesn't move until he is level with it, but I daren't admit it!

    He walks past a hanging cloth! My god but you are full of it.

    Translation: No it doesn't move but I cannot admit it because it proves my cloth trotting hogwash is a lie.



    So the four questions were all avoided and you once again avoid the major requests:-
    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.
     

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