The Futility of the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence

Once again, you are dodging by jumping around between the tapes.

Over and over I've pointed out that I'm focusing on "go fast".

There is no "darting" on "go fast".

And, the debunking is exceptionally easy.

 

No, it absolutely IS relevant.

It's relevant in that it:
- is one of the tapes
- has been soundly debunked
- is still used as evidence in all manner of UFOlogy from critically acclaimed press (like 60 Minutes) to our military (in public, at least), to mainstream UFOlogy "specialists" such as Elizondo.

This is a clear demonstration of how the field of UFOlogy is not capable of analysis - willing to routinely present as evidence material that has been shown to be false.

 

Just dinner? I want it to synthesize fine wine, great whiskey, and so on as well. Booze!

Instantaneous teleportation would be nice too. You know, if I feel like dining in a restaurant in Paris, I'll just adjust the dial of the teleporter in my living room and step onto the desirable Parisian street right in front of the restaurant. Now we're talking.

 

Yea, I'm not concerned about UFOlogists.

If you think this is about UFOlogy, you aren't paying attention.

 

You can call it what you want.

But, it all comes as a package. For example, you like Elizondo, but he's right in there with the rest of them.

The DoD is a separate issue, in that they have a mission to examine what's going on throughout the world.

But, that is clearly divided from all public communication, as in no way is the military benefited by publishing their investigations to the world. Nor would the militaries of any other nation be benefitted by publishing their analyses.

 

Elizondo is not a separate issue from the DoD, he has worked for the DoD or US intelligence agencies in some way for pretty much his entire life. The vast majority of which had nothing to do with UFO's.

The military isn't doing any of this voluntarily. You lack the context to understand how we got here, and you refuse to read more to become informed. Which is ironic given your username.

 

I did. Reread my comment which DIRECTLY address your point.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...l-intelligence.508305/page-26#post-1073074143

I was a professional photographer for many years, this issue is a lot more than just photography, starting with the fact
that, when one thinks of 'photography' one does not merely think of pilots, radar, jets, and FLIR technology, hence my previous statement.

It requires forensic analysis. Sorry, you are wrong. My links clearly reveal this fact.

But their testimonies are necessary for a full forensic investigation.

Reread my comment to which you replied, please. Thank you.

 

Exceptionally? If find your position unscientific and myopic, noting that your assertion 'science is not required' is false, forensic science is absolutely required.

Please reread my rebuttal, which DIRECTLY addresses your point.

 

One of hundreds, per Louis Elizondo, former director of AATIP, hence 'your missing the bigger picture' by @WhoDatPhan78

it has not been debunked.

It's used as evidence for the position that the objects are real, and there is, despite suggestions of banality, in the final analysis, there is no explanation for them.

That is what they are used for, nothing more, nothing less.

Demonstrably wrong:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uY47ijzGETwYJocR1uhqxP0KTPWChlOG/view

Based on the last few rebuttals of yours, all I can see is that you are incapable of reviewing content that proves you are wrong.

You say I'm 'dodging', but you are not the center of the universe, I could levy the same charge against you.

See, when you say I'm 'dodging', that's predicated solely on the premise you are correct, which you are not.

 

He absolutely IS separate from the DoD.

He is not free to report the analysis of the DoD. He may get away with some such activity, but that does not mean that what he says in public is what the DoD has found concerning this issue.

The military absolutely IS doing ALL of this voluntarily. That is, they absolutely are analyzing everything seen that could possibly pertain to national security. And, super-capable objects in the sky obviously qualify. In fact, they could be the operators of objects that others see as behaving in a surprising manner.

You have NO CLUE concerning what I read, what security clearance I have, what my own work history is, or anything else about me.

 

Currently, but AATIP is not current, either. He was very much a large part of the AATIP program, under the auspices of the pentagon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advan...entification_Program#Leadership_and_functions

 

The DoD tried to discredit Elizondo as having nothing to do with AATIP, but took it back when evidence was produced that he was who he said he was.
Since then, I see no evidence they have refuted any of his assertions.

Did you read this?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...letter_2009_1532565293943_49621615_ver1.0.pdf

AATIP didn't get $200,000,000 to study balloons and banal objects, voluntarily

 

This is more of you just plain dodging.

I see nothing in that post the addresses the debunking of the "go fast" video.

You claimed that not being a scientist was some sort of issue.

But, this problem doesn't require any significant scientific analysis and you present no science.

The "go fast" video can be analyzed to the extent of knowing the altitude and the speed of the object being tracked without there being ANY "testimony".

In fact, testimony can't add anything, as the full story is presented on the pilot's display that comprises the video.

 

And?

Elizondo is working to be a movie star. And, there is NO indication that he is the voice of the DoD on this issue. There is NO CHANCE that he has been cleared to divulge what the DoD has detected and is capable of detecting or what their analysis is. Think about it. That's not what a military turns over to the world they face.

As I've said, if his objectives were altruistic, he would clear UFOlogy of the junk they tout - including but not limited to the "go fast" video.

 

As @Patricio Da Silva pointed out, Elizondo worked for the DoD until 2017. Before Aatip, he worked as an interrogator and intel officer for quite some time.

He’s as government as an official gets. He is not someone who chases UFOs in his free time or ever until the US government asked him to.

 

Once again, you TOTALLY FAIL to address the "go fast" video and how it is so soundly debunked.

You are just dodging AGAIN!!!

 

This is just plain TOTALLY irrelevant.

What I've commented on for pages of posts now is the "go fast" video and the fact that it has been solidly debunked using no more than the aircraft instruments and high school math.

And, you just keep dodging with this garbage about the military.

 

Lol, I do not care about the go fast video. It’s validity has no bearing on the bigger issue.

Do you think Senators Gillinbrand, Graham, and Rubio are sponsoring the creation of a government agency to manage the UAP situation because they haven’t seen Mick West’s YouTube channel?

They saw the classified briefing, they know what Lue Elizondo knows. They are putting their names on this issue.

You could suggest that this is just a big ruse by the government to justify spending money, but even if you believe that you should realize that the go fast video isn’t especially important.

 

He is EXgovernment.

And, he absolutely can NOT be seen as free to divulge the DoD position on detection capabilities, analyses or conclusions.

Besides, my point is the "go fast" video and the FACT that it is debunked.

>>>Do you believe Elizondo accepts the "go fast" video interpretation that UFOlogists promote?

I want to know.

 

I have no idea what he thinks about the Go fast video, and I've watched hours and hours of him doing interviews. That should tell you how much he thinks it matters.

I'm sure his opinion of go fast is out there somewhere, if you really want to know, you should go readmore and find out. I don't care what he thinks about it. Whatever he thinks about it is probably informed by much more information than any of us including Mick West has access to.

 

You're just dodging.

The "go fast" video is definitely important here, as it is a solid test of whether those talking about UFOs have any actual concern for the facts.

Your are struggling to use that action of congress as confirming alien air traffic.

But, those individuals are on the inside of our defense department.

If the military holds YOUR view and can back that with evidence, why would these congressmen be setting out to investigate its validity?

I just don't believe you are thinking this thing through.

In particular, there remains the issue that the "go fast" video has been debunked, but is still being used as if it is evidence of aliens.

 

Someone needs to get Mick West in front of the Senate pronto.

 

OK, to start with I have done a lot of searching on this Navy video, and I don't see anyone who has found a way to propose that the debunking is inaccurate.

And, as I've pointed out, the debunking of "go fast" doesn't require much information at all. What is on the pilot's display is plenty!!

Mick West is not the only individual who has noticed that, so trying to make this about an individual is just one more failed dodge.

If you think "more information" is needed, you REALLY need to explain what that information could POSSIBLY be - even if you don't happen to have it.

Do you think we don't know how to apply sines and cosines?

Do you have high school math?

Have you looked at how trivial it is to debunk "go fast"?

Do you admit that "go fast" is clearly NOT what the pilots claimed it to be? That would add to your credibility.

 

The pilots have access to more information than Mick West, so if you are forcing me to choose between Mick West and the people who were there and saw more than just a video, and had more encounters than just the one in the video, then I’ll go with what the pilots said.

You are wasting your time obsessing over then go fast video. You standing at the edge of a forest arguing with a bush over whether it’s a tree, because you want to prove there is no forest. Just look and you will see the forest.

 

You mentioned the bigger picture. So, ...

One can not prove there are no aliens flying around our airspace defying everything we know about physics and our universe.

That is an example of proving a negative.

So, we already have the military stating "we don't know." And, that IS the answer. We do not know.

All Mick West or others could do is to add the Navy tapes to the long, long list of stuff that does NOT indicate that there are aliens flying around defying everything we know about physics, inseminating women, giving free rides, etc.


My own view is that we DO know something about physics. And, the evidence for physics IS significant, while the evidence for our physics being full on crap is very far from real.

Reversing that, to demonstrate that physics is crap and aliens buzzing Earth as real, requires very serious evidence that we absolutely do NOT have.