The GOP at it again to steal elections

The Ohio GOP is pushing through with its effort to gerrymander congressional districts beyond recognition, so they will get more House seats:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dc3bfe-37ef-11ec-91dc-551d44733e2d_story.html



The result: Biden received 45% of the Ohio vote in 2020, but the new proposed map would give the Dems a max of 40% of congressional seats, IN THE BEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO FOR DEMS. In the worst case scenario, they would get only 13% of the 15 Ohio seats.

There we have it. The GOP respecting the will of the voters -- not. They are doing everything in their power to disenfranchise Dem voters and cement their minority rule. Truly anti-democratic. Of course, their voters don't care, because they believe that the GOP anti-democratic behavior will help them win elections. And it seems that is all that counts, Principle be damned.

 

https://news.stlpublicradio.org/gov...mocrats-but-they-carve-up-cities-like-ofallon

Democrats cutting a city in half to win.

 

I personally was surprised when SCOTUS upheld 'gerrymandering'. Seems contra to the constitution to me but I am not an intellectual 'impartial' judge .

 

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illi...ng-becomes-reality-through-congressional-map/

Now this is a gerrymander.

Democrats wanting to win at any cost.

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opini...democrats-plan-to-gerrymander-nevada-2476683/

More gerrymandering by Democrats cheating to win at any cost.

 

https://www.commoncause.org/democra...mandering-the-u-s-supreme-court-should-too- /

What?!

A Republican terminated gerrymandering?

Don't worry, I'm sure the Democrats will bring it back.

 

Wisconsin Republicans Push to Take Over the State’s Elections
Led by Senator Ron Johnson, G.O.P. officials want to eliminate a bipartisan elections agency — and maybe send its members to jail.

The POT assault on democracy continues unabated.

Republicans in Wisconsin are engaged in an all-out assault on the state’s election system, building off their attempts to challenge the results of the 2020 presidential race by pressing to give themselves full control over voting in the state.

The Republican effort — broader and more forceful than that in any other state where allies of former President Donald J. Trump are trying to overhaul elections — takes direct aim at the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission, an agency Republicans created half a decade ago that has been under attack since the chaotic aftermath of last year’s election.

The firestorm picked up late last month after a long-awaited report on the 2020 results that was ordered by Republican state legislators found no evidence of fraud but made dozens of suggestions for the election commission and the G.O.P.-led Legislature, turbocharging Republican demands for more control of elections.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/19/us/politics/wisconsin-republicans-decertify-election.html

 

The fact of the matter is that unless you are going to define gerrymandering mathematically, any laws or committees, or court judgements are going to be abused.

 

The maps you furnish, don't adequately show the peculiarity of the lines being redrawn-- just looking at the shapes, they appear more consistent, than in the old map. In fact, I recall Rachel Maddow pointing to the old district containing Toledo (which is Blue), as being an odd, serpentine shape. The redrawn district, w/ Toledo, is a more rectangular block, which would turn it from Blue to "close." That they could so expand that district, doesn't seem to make sense, unless the Toledo area has lost population.

The more telling statistic is when one looks at the percentage of the popular vote, a Party received, and what portion of the legislature that would net them, comparing that result, using the current map, versus what it would become, if the new map had been adopted.

 

North Carolina’s extreme new gerrymander, explained

Last week, while the political world was transfixed on Virginia, something arguably more consequential took place in the state just south of it: North Carolina’s Republican-controlled statehouse passed new political maps based on the 2020 census that give the GOP a significant leg up in congressional elections.

In a state split nearly evenly between Republicans and Democrats — Trump won it in 2020 with 49.9 percent of the vote — the new map of districts for House elections would likely give the GOP at least 10 House seats out of 14 (71 percent). North Carolina law does not allow Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper to veto the maps, which means they will be used in 2022 unless courts intervene.

The Princeton Gerrymandering Project, an academic group that grades political maps based on a set of mathematical metrics of fairness, gave the North Carolina map an “F” for extreme partisan bias — marking it as one of the very worst proposals anywhere in the country. Two separate analyses, from a Duke University professor and the Campaign Legal Center, also found that the map was unusually tilted in the GOP’s direction.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...rolina-redistricting-gerrymandering-2021-2022

 

So, you think it is okay if up to 80% of a state's congressional seats are controlled by 53% of its population? My guess: You'd cry bloody murder if the shoe was on the other foot.

And, no, I don't support gerrymandering when the Dems do it either. However, it seems to be something that mostly helps Republicans, so no wonder that Republicans want to sweep their anti-democratic tendencies under the rug and deflect to "but.. but... Dems do it too".

 

So what your saying is the R’s are playing politics with politics? Let’s see how the Dems in Michigan chop up this state next year when we lose a congressional district. Will you be so concerned then? I bet not.

 

Yes, the WEC should go. I wholeheartedly support the effort. If we would get the election fraud under control here in WI, it would be at the very least a "pink State", if not a "red State".

 

nothing good can come from stealing an election.
Shady tactics only lead to the other side implementing shady tactics.
I predicted this after the big steal
Karma does suck!

 

You are trying to spin your pending loss.

The most lopsided districts in the nation are DEMOCRAT, drawn by DEMOCRATS. If Democrats want more competitive districts, they should DRAW THEM.

The most partisan districts in the nation, are Democrat, and most of them are drawn by Democrats:

Pennsylvania 3 D+41 Democratic
California 13 D+40 Democratic
New York 13 D+40 Democratic
New York 15 D+39 Democratic
California 12 D+38 Democratic
Illinois 7 D+37 Democratic
California 37 D+36 Democratic
Georgia 5 D+36 Democratic
Washington 7 D+36 Democratic
Massachusetts 7 D+35 Democratic
California 34 D+34 Democratic
New Jersey 10 D+34 Democratic
New York 5 D+34 Democratic
New York 7 D+34 Democratic
New York 12 D+34 Democratic

 

Um, gerrymandering to get an advantage would look the opposite of that. What you do is you draw districts so that the OTHER side has most of their people concentrated in one or few districts to give you wins in other districts. Any vote over 50% is a wasted vote because you've already won the district so one side suffers if their district is drawn so that they have a huge share of votes that could have been better used in a neighboring district.

Let's say that you have 50:50 democrats and republicans in 10 equal population districts. If you were a democrat trying to screw republicans, the ideal setup would be one in which one district had nearly 100% republicans by drawing a weirdly convoluted district shape, and then the other districts were ~56 to 44 democrats vs republicans. So the result would be democratic lawmakers in 9 of 10 districts despite having equal people on each side overall. This is bad because the democratic ratio would be 50:50, not 90:10.

The fact that districts with massive democratic majorities exist shows that, gerrymandering or not, it's republicans who are benefitting from the winner-take-all per district system.

 

Great post. But, don't confuse them with facts, they just stick their heads in the sand and cry "Dems are bad anyway".

 

No, they wouldn't. Drawing congressional districts should be bipartisan. The GOP Governor of Ohio actually promised it to be bipartisan. Then what happens? The districts are drawn by Republicans. Does the GOP Governor object? Of course not, who cares about election promises when you can help the anti-constitutional power grab of your own party.

 

So you are saying CA/IL/NY Democrats are stupid.

California 13 D+40 Democratic
New York 13 D+40 Democratic
New York 15 D+39 Democratic
California 12 D+38 Democratic
Illinois 7 D+37 Democratic
California 37 D+36 Democratic

Great theory, but what in the world makes you think that Republicans are drawing the lines in CA/NY and IL?

DEMOCRATS DREW THOSE DISTRICTS.

Like I said, if Democrats want more competitive districts, they should draw them.

 

Who is the moron you are using as a source? Perhaps said moron could take the time to read the US Constitution before so ignorantly shooting off their mouth.

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.
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The voters of Wisconsin selected Republicans to represent them. If Democrats want to be in charge of elections, they should focus on winning some more seats in the State Legislature.

 

Maybe if they're losing elections in neighboring districts. Or maybe they believe in not cheating to win like republicans?

Mostly I was trying to tell you how gerrymandering works, since your prior post suggested you didn't know. If we must keep districts, they should have logical, geographic, straight boundaries. That's it. Not weird shapes to get an undemocratic edge over the other side.

 

Gee, nationwide in 2018, run on maps drawn after the massive 2010 GOP victories, Dems won 54.1% of the seats though only 53.1% of the vote, and you never said squat. Seems pretty selective in your self-serving "outrage".

What are the betting odds for the upcoming Congressional Elections?

Senate majority control
July 14, 2021 Dems 52% - GOP 48%
Nov 19, 2021 GOP 69% - Dems 31%

Damn! That's a 48 point swing into your teeth. What the hell happened to Democrats since mid July? There is no Gerrymander of Senate Elections, so you can't use that old worn out excuse!

 

Fake News. The people select their representatives, and these representatives draw the maps. If Dems want to draw these maps, they need to win elections on the census years.

You claimed that the GOP drew these lopsided Illinois, California and NY Districts and that's simply a load of crap.

The most lopsided districts are Democrat, and they were Drawn by Democrats. If Democrats want more competitive districts, they should Draw them.

In 2018 Dems won 54.1% of the seats with only 53.1% of the vote, and we didn't hear a peep out of you. Dems have problems, but your problems are what you are doing to yourselves, not what anyone is doing to you. Trying to have parents who speak up a school board meetings declared "terrorists" is probably the dumbest move of the current election cycle, and nobody else did that to you.

The Red Ink Orgy that has driven inflation up so fast it's lowering real wages, after great wage gains under Trump, isn't something anyone else did to you, you folks did that to yourselves, and you are trying have yet another set of back to back Red Ink Orgies on the back of the taxpayers even as you rush headlong into the 2022 election disaster. No one has done that to you, you have done that to yourselves.

No one forced you to run a man with rapidly advancing Dementia for President with a VP that no one likes. No one did that to you, you folks did that to yourselves.

Do yourself a favor and quit blaming others for your own acts.

Slidin’ With Biden: “Mostly underwater” in Gallup, Cook shifts key Senate Dem seats to toss-ups.

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Gallup: "Biden has not only fallen to a -13 on overall job approval, he doesn’t score a positive in any issue area either":

It won't improve. He left Americans in Afghanistan. That is unforgivable.

As the Dementia gets worse, it won't get better.

COVID deaths are double a year ago.

Passing a massive Red Ink Orgy "didn’t stop the Biden Slide, and it’s not helping other Democrats either. The Cook Report has moved three key Senate races from Leans Dem to Toss-Up, movement that the GOP will no doubt appreciate:"

There is no Gerrymander of Senate Elections.

Democrats are paying "for foisting an incompetent extremist on voters while promising centrist expertise."

Quit blaming others and take ownership.

 

SCHTOPPEN DASS SCHTEAL!!

 

If the Republicans are redrawing them, it's because the Democrats are loading them up with illegals. You do know if a district gets around 750 thousand new people, they automatically get a new Congressman don't you? Those people don't have to be American citizens either. Why do you think Biden and the rest of the leaders of the Democratic Party have all changed their mind on how illegals hurt the country? Obama once said they keep wages low, take jobs from Blue collar workers and put a strain on our welfare system. Listen to his and the rest of their views today. We can easily take in two million a year Biden says. Why do you think the Democrats want to make DC and Porto Rico states? To get 4 more Senators and a number of Congressmen. That way they control both House and Senate.