The GOP Senators are the Cowards of the Country IMO!

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    And once again Derideo_Te sweeps the field.
     
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    That's hardly the real problem, because the real power is in the congress, particularly the house- and right no it's in the hands of monkeys with no character at all and loyalty only to monkey business.
    They don't give a rat's ass about the people- except as fodder for their socialistic experiments. And you support that.
     
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    The real problem is a president who believe that the unitary executive power makes him untouchable.

    Members of both parties, as spiritgide, points out are only loyal to their own and their party's interests.

    Understand that spiritgide's comment about 'socialistic experiments' is merely his own commitment to his own business, not that of the country.
     
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    Even sadder would be removing a president for seeking a political advantage - something all politicians do.
     
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    I think Trump has learned that he isn't above the law like Hillary.

    100% correct

    An insult without any evidence or knowledge on your part.
     
  6. Daniel Light

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    I think that Trump has learned that he doesn't have to face any consequences for any of his actions. Teflon Trump.
     
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    You think three years of constant harassment is not a consequence? Best think about that for a while.
     
  8. garyd

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    The hell their the same people that went out of their way to stiff Bernie last time are still around and if they were willing to cheat to keep Bernie out last time they sure as hell aren't going to vote for him this Time.
     
  9. Bob0627

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    The Supreme Law of the Land is the Constitution. All subordinate laws are subject to review at any time for constitutional compliance when a question of law is petitioned for Writ of Certiorari. The Constitution itself is NOT subject to review, it is only subject to an Amendment.

    Again for the Constitution comprehension impaired, the courts have NO role whatsoever in any impeachment process, that is an exclusive and absolute power granted to the House. An impeachment inquiry of the Executive has clear, exclusive and absolute jurisdiction over the Executive by constitutional mandate. That is its sole purpose. The Executive has NO constitutionally granted power whatsoever to block any impeachment process. If you believe it does, CITE the clause in the Constitution. You won't be able to because it does not exist.

    Trump CANNOT "simply ignore" an impeachment investigation as the Executive, who is the SUBJECT of an impeachment, has no constitutional authority to obstruct the House in an impeachment investigation. It would make zero sense anyway that the Constitution would grant the power to the Executive to block the impeachment process for which he is a subject. It would render the process absolutely useless. In fact, the Executive is MANDATED by Oath of Office to comply with every single clause within the Constitution, there are NO exceptions.

    Nowhere in the Constitution is the House required to use the judiciary as a supporting crutch to conduct any impeachment investigation, you don't know what you're talking about and you're making crap up that has nothing to do with the Constitution.

    You are making crap up. The House is fully constitutionally authorized to conduct an impeachment investigation in any manner it sees fit as long as the process does not violate any other provision within the Constitution. Executive Privilege is not found anywhere within the Constitution nor could any non-constitutional theory override a specific black and white grant of constitutional authority to a branch of the US government.

    What's in YOUR imagination is that the Executive has absolute power to do anything it wants merely by doing it. Hitler would have loved your philosophy because that's exactly how he operated.
     
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    Sure they will - We are talking to segments of voters here. 1) the Blue base which will vote blue regardless of who is the candidate 2) The Blue Anti Establishment - who have no reason (so far) to stay home and would certainly vote for Bernie.

    Those that did the actual cheating don't count for much in the general election as it is a small number of people. I do agree that this will lower Bernie's chances of getting the nomination.
     
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    Everybody anti-Trump will vote for the Dem, even if it is Sanders or even you, garyd.
     
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    EVERY President has had to face investigations - Reagan had Iran-Contra. Clinton had Whitewater. Bush had WMD's. Obama had 4 years of Benghazi (plus the Birthers).
    If snowflake Trump couldn't handle the reality of the office, he shouldn't have run.
     
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    Missed the edit window. To add clarity to your fallacies:

    Neither SCOTUS nor any other branch has the power to grant any powers to another branch or even petition another branch do so. This is strictly prohibited by the 10th Amendment. If that were true, each branch could rewrite the Constitution for another branch. This is an amazingly off the wall theory you invented. Do you make this crap up as you go?
     
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    You said rewrite the constitution, not me.
    Are you making up my arguments for me, in order to argue against them? Nice try

    It judges constitutionally by case.
    The House needed to bring a case and win that case in order to override EP, which has been judged constitutional per SCOTUS and is the law of the land.
    Its subpoenas had no power.
    No obstruction, as one cannot obstruct something that does not exist.
     
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    Coward Of The County

    that was by Kenny Rogers right?
     
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    The House has no power over EP, in any setting.
     
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    Trump is the coward of the century
     
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    Man this is like trying to explain quantum physics to a grade school child who insists the moon is made of swiss cheese. You are so far out of your league here it would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

    No I was trying to explain to you how illogical (i.e. nonsensical) your irrational theory is. You don't even understand a very simple point, you have reading comprehension issues.

    I keep asking you for anything legitimate that supports any of your opinions but all I get is repetitious nonsense. Again, please cite anything valid, anything from the Constitution, any SCOTUS opinion, any federal law, any opinion from any constitutional authority, anything real, not just your hot air, that supports any of your arguments.

    Citation please with respect to IMPEACHMENT. You make the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU.

    For the umpteenth time, the Law of the Land is the Constitution, not Executive Privilege. Executive Privilege is not found anywhere in the Constitution, it's not even a law, it's merely a concept. Do you even know how legislation works? This is federal law:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text

    Please cite the EXACT US Code, Title, Chapter and Section that makes Executive Privilege law. Note SCOTUS does NOT make law, that power is reserved strictly to Congress and the President whose only function is to ratify legislation before it becomes law or reject it. But I'm guessing in your world all 3 branches share all sorts of powers and grant each other all sorts of powers as they see fit and there's no such thing as separation of powers and the 10th Amendment is worthless.

    Citation please with respect to IMPEACHMENT. You make the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU.

    You must have attended the Joseph Goebbels School of Law.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

    I guess if you keep on repeating your claims to yourself even you believe it.

    But even more to the point. You're trying to argue a phantom. Your hero never even formally challenged the House, much less defended his obstruction using Executive Privilege as a defense. Nixon and Clinton both formally issued challenges using Executive Privilege as a defense and both were resoundingly rejected by SCOTUS. And these were merely legal cases, not impeachment proceedings.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/poli...-clinton-trump-executive-privilege/index.html

    NOTE: You have absolutely no obligation to prove anything to me. However, if you can't or won't prove your theories, they amount to nothing but hot air which I've already gathered long ago that's all you know how to post. Especially given you have never once cited anything that supports your silly theories.
     
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    Hint: the SCOTUS ruled on those legal cases, just as it would need to rule on this impeachment case
     
  20. garyd

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    You are dreaming. Regardless there are a hell of a lot people right now voting any body but Bernie. Bernie is the only reason Bloomberg is spending money on this race right now. Bernie is his worst nightmare. Hell for that matter if you are making a comfortable living Bernie should be your worst night mare
     
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    While the expectation exists the reality is there isn’t many among us that possess the temperament to go against their crowd.

    Meek is the rule.
     
  22. Bob0627

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    Yeah thanks, is that response a joke? Not one single citation as expected, no legitimate response to anything I posted, just the usual hot air one liner. Thanks anyway, you're dismissed, there's nothing intellectual to discuss with you, you just make crap up as the wind blows. In fact your posts are intellectually insulting. I've spent a couple of decades studying the Constitution and civil rights laws/cases/issues and written dozens of legal briefs in 2 federal cases that I was successful at. It takes many years to familiarize yourself with the legal system, especially when one hasn't even attended law school. I had to read and understand the FRCP (Federal Rules of Civil Procedure) front to back to litigate my cases as a sui juris party. Do you even have a Pacer account? You obviously haven't done squat and you're just pretending you know something.
     
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    Being anti Trump is one thing committing financial suicide quite something else. And the Bernie Bros ain't near as anti Trump as they are anti democrat establishmeny. They proved that in the last election. The term anti Trump is far more nuanced than you'd like.
     
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    keep telling yourself that, garyd, please
     
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    And, the House intelligence committee is not the House, and an impeachment inquiry is not an impeachment, so your argument has even less merit
     

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