The Great Christian Civil War and Donald Trump.

In a visionary dream of heaven that was given to him
back in 1995, Pastor Rick Joyner was shown that a great
Civil War was coming to Christianity.

He was shown that non-Christians would be astonished and
puzzled by how our religion seemed to be self destructing.

I have reason to believe that the possible Donald Trump
presidency could well be the catalyst that will expose
the true nature and attitude that most of us Christians have.

http://www.heavennet.net/visions/the-hordes-of-hell-are-marching.htm

Pastor Rick Joyner......"The Evil Army

As you can easily guess.......
I also suspect that this Great Christian Civil War will to at least a significant degree
focus on the identity of the being of light of NDE Fame.

 

Rick Joyner is a con man of the first order, right up there with Jim Bakker and Creflo Dollar and probably mentally ill, which would account for his "visions".

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/7799-rick-joyner

http://www.piratechristian.com/museum-of-idolatry/2016/1/rick-joyners-demonic-voodoo-church

This is funny:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...-will-be-prophetic-sign-third-great-awakening

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/joyner.html

http://www.therefinersfire.org/rick_joyner1.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/pentagon-leaders-met-with_b_4037505.html

 

IF.... the following interview is a genuine and inspired message from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus....

then it is pretty easy to see how the response by many Christians to President Donald Trump

could be far more important than we might realize at first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwFWD_Htfo

Trump Chosen by God To Stop America's Destruction - Astounding 2011 Prophecy

.... Although this is over an hour long I have already listened to the interview two times. And may well listen to it again in the not too distant future.




You may wish to take a look through this discussion before voting in the poll.

http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/445248-being-light-nde-fame-g-d-satan.html

The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?

 

Thank you for expressing your opinion on this......

I am on a very different page than you are at this time.......

I consider his book The Vision to be nothing less than a stepping stone that
can cause many Christians to better understand that the source of near death
experience accounts that have a genuine life review is probably......
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, in H-s glorified eternal form..... speaking plainly of The Father
as he promised that he would eventually do.

 

Here is some more background info on the coming Christian Civil War:

.... Pastor Rick Joyner:

My theory is that the statement here about money probably ties in with.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-us-world-news/464333-trump-calls-auditing-fed.html
Trump Calls For Auditing the Fed



This sure does help to explain why so many GOP large donors
have stayed away from the Trump campaign up until this time.

The Donald has too much courage for the guys who are doing so well
under the seriously flawed system that is geared toward breaking
unions and forcing the poor to work like heck and complain little
about poor conditions.

 

During the coming Christian Civil War, Donald Trump will lead a triumphant army of angels, Greys from Zeta-II Reticuli, and Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) in a revival of American spirituality via NDEs and "free energy-antigravity generators" utilizing Nikola Tesla-Townsend Brown secret technology hidden by the Government since Roswell......


I saw it on YouTube, so I know it's true.

 

I have read Rick Joiner (accidentally) and it's heretical gibberish. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

Back in 1988, while I was still "a member in good standing" in the Worldwide Church of God,
I would probably have agreed with your assessment of Pastor Rick but.......

a lot has happened since then.

My wife is a truly gifted Pentecostal........... whose gifts I once would have equated with some form
of self hypnosis... .which I once felt could result in somebody channelling a fallen angel.

Well.... my wife is a gifted exorcist who was inspired to do a deliverance on me.......
while living 3000 miles away from me... .and months before we even met face to face.

The Vision by Pastor Rick has helped me to comprehend at least a little bit of what my wife
has experienced since she was in her twenties when she began to speak in tongues and have dreams
in which she was obviously getting a message from G-d..... and/ or Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in his
non- human form.


This message from a former homeless man... is perhaps the most powerful and eloquent rebuke to
self-righteous and lethargic Christians like me that I have ever read..........
I can't say that I am applying this information well yet... .but at least this has helped me to diagnose my own spiritual ailments better?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/365987-story-homeless-man-angelo-rick-joyner.html

The Story of Homeless Man Angelo by Rick Joyner.

 

And THAT explains it.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Communion_International


Now, I understand Dennis and his posts, theological and otherwise.

 

Obviously you are saying this in jest......
but you could be closer to the truth of what may be happening in
fifth, sixth, and seventh dimensional space time than you would care to imagine.


If you have some free time... this book is well worth reading.

http://www.politicalforum.com/conspiracy-theories/425801-great-book-explain-ufo-cia-connection.html

A great book to explain UFO - CIA connection?


.......
The G-d of Abraham / HaShem/ YHWH could well arrange to give
humanity anti-gravity technology before the Jerusalem Third Temple is built.

 

Dennis, number one, "channeling" is not Christian doctrine. Number two, if you are Christian you are told to test the spirits, which you appear to not be doing. Number three, Jesus does not have a "non-human form", he is fully man and fully God. If you have actually read the Bible you know that he ascended bodily into heaven. I am not even going to touch the subject of exorcism. These are just a few of the things that make your beliefs incompatible with Christianity.

Whatever it is you are practicing, it is NOT Christianity.

 

And again, that sums you up, Dennis....

I post the craziest-a$$ s**t I could think of....and you take it seriously.




But I like ya.

 

From one cult to another.

- - - Updated - - -

Dennis, I hope you understand that I am kind of obliged to tell you these things.

 

IJM, this will get you and me into a fight, but.......basically a "religion"?....is just a "cult" that gained popularity and political power.

Christianity was a cult 2000 years ago. It just was popular and took over the Roman Empire as it collapsed into various separate kingdoms.


In less than 200 years, Mormonism is an accepted "denomination" of Christianity....up to political expediency by guys like Franklin Graham (to support Romney) a few Christian ministers still were calling IT a "cult."

In 200, 500 years...or less?....there's no telling if Dennis' beliefs might not become an "accepted religion."

 

I actually am considering four political campaigns over the next
four years and frankly....... I will be really happy if I can assist somebody
to take the step from being a dogmatic Atheist..... over to belief in
the possibility of benevolent aliens?!

That is one potentially significant step in the right direction...........


http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...richard-dawkins-ph-d-aliens-seeded-earth.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL7CCyuXAS4
Richard Dawkins: Aliens Seeded Earth?


............

It could well take them months or years of further research but sooner or later.....

they may be ready to expand the definition of "alien" to include intelligence in
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.........
which would put them pretty much were I am at?!


http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...lligence-begin-matter-fundamental-energy.html

Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?



I am an Evolutionary Theist........

I am of the belief that a being with "Godlike" technological capability

began, far far far far far more than 13.72 billion years ago, in
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that to at least some
degree corresponds with "Energy from Quantum Vacuum."


This Intelligence learned and learned, and experimented..... .and
designed Big Bang type events, nearly an infinite number of them,
and eventually, around 13.72 billion year or so ago began our.......
Big Bang event that led to the evolution plus creation of
all the life forms that we see here on earth.

 

Life must be so much more interesting for you...

 

Yes...... I try my best to warn somebody when I feel that they are making an error that could
eventually jeopardize their salvation......... (or their ability to escape from The Void as a near
death experiencer might word it)!


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a09

9. How can a person become lost after death? Don't we just pass on?

 

Good point!

He was able to eat bread and fish with his disciples after his resurrection so you are correct...........

but I could have written "not merely human" form and that might have made the statement accurate.

I am sure that he can still walk through walls...... and also.... eat a meal if he wishes..... but I also am
convinced that he is honoring H-s covenant to meet with people and review their lives with them
when they have a genuine brush with death.

Neither Christian Andreason or former Atheist Howard Storm knew who Messiah Yeshua - Jesus really
was until they had their near death experience.


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a08

8. What were you shown about Christ, as being the Son of God?

 

No. Judaism and Christianity share Biblical, systematic, dogmatic, and historical theologies. Their beliefs are well known and codified. Even the Jews in Jesus' time recognized the inherent Jewishness of Jesus' beliefs, they called him "teacher". These are the Jews, mind you. A lot of them followed him.

Mormonism, The Watchtower Society, and whatever you call that Rick Joyner bunch all have one thing in common - there is a guy at the center in our own time who has displaced God. With the Mormons it's Joseph Smith. With the JW's it's C.T. Russell, with Morningstar it's Joyner. None of these men claimed to be God, if they had then everybody would know they were nuts. Instead, they claim to have some new revelation nobody else has ever heard of. Scientism types like to talk about "peer review", well, there are a bunch of truly accepted denominations that really have been peer reviewed by the Church at large (and by that I mean ALL of us) and found to acceptable, if not perfect. The Church has decided that their beliefs are acceptable to the universal Church.

Mormonism is not one of them, although they will try to tell you that.

Judaism, Christianity, and even Islam (sons of Abraham, spoken of in the Bible) have stood the test of time. That is a Biblical standard.

 

In 100 years or so, Mormonism will be as old as Christianity was at the time of Constantine. When it began its domination of the Western and Eastern Roman Empires and eventual conquering of all of Europe into Russia.

It is currently one of the fastest growing Christian denominations IN THE WORLD, and while 150 years ago, it was persecuted here in the United States....

it came within a few million votes of a Mormon becoming President of the United States 4 years ago. (I'm betting YOU voted for him. ).

Again, apart from some guys like Franklin Graham (who changed his tune for Romney) or John Ankerberg, it is accepted as a Christian denomination. It has power, money, and popularity....and that has grown, not diminished.

And with power, money, and popularity....and general acceptance....it meets all the criteria of a "religion".....and no longer a "cult."

 

i got a wild idea for you Gorn Captain.......

The Jewish scriptures got the stamp of approval of both Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and the Apostle Paul but.......
the Christian scriptures were approved by a Pope...... in the fifth century!

 

Well, certainly many Christians are gullible people, especially the more fundamentalist ones. They surrender their reason and skepticism for the sake of ideology and the empty promise of eternal life. They and other such cult followers and religious adherents are definitely "sheeple", allowing themselves to be led around by certain shepherds who need only tell them the things they want to hear and do so with a measure of confidence and charisma. It is a major part of social dynamics, really. Trump also embodies that sort of leader or shepherd, albeit not so much of the religious variety. However, he also is manipulating the religious right by pretending to be one of them, telling them the things they want to hear and acting like a "strong leader".

People are better off thinking as individuals and avoiding parties and cults, religious and political. Unfortunately, the system of government that we have pretty much forces us into such parties, because it is the largest parties that wield the power. This forces otherwise freethinking persons into one or another party, and this in turn will shape their views, because belonging to a party means subscribing to a list of precepts in all areas of life and public policy. Try being a Republican atheist or a Democrat evangelical! These ostensibly political parties embody certain religious views also, because with only two parties and with religion being such an important factor in how people think and what policies they will support, the parties' members have little choice but to appeal and pander to certain religious groups; it is one group appealing to another and exploiting it for its own gain, and both groups benefiting in terms of power and influence. Yet in this, the individual is lost, and with the individual go different ideas and points of view; these are drowned out by the group's accepted ideas and views, and so, again, the individual must conform.

This is how whole populations are led to support extreme and stupid policies, and how they come to hate whole other groups of their fellow citizens based simply on group labels.

 

You know, the only people I ever hear defending Mormonism as an "accepted Christian denomination" are atheists and Mormons themselves, the two groups who have the least amount of credibility on the subject.

 

Are you trying to say that Donald Trump is the Antichrist?

IMO that role would be better filled by Obama. the enabler of the tainted religion of Islam.

 

Is anyone of them a Christ? I have serious doubts, because this stupid blabbering of "God here and there, let's pray for this and that ..." in the USA is not more as a phrase from everyone.