The Greatest Cosmic Puzzle: Astronomers Find Stars That Appear Older Than The Universe

So...your "Facts" are bigger than his "Facts" onna counta you says so and you have an old book of ancient joo joo that says so.

Golly, so compelling an argument cannot be ignored.

 

Look tecoyah, don't try to mitigate your gullibility by insulting me. This is what I don't get - and actually it's one of the things which worries me about the future of mankind - you're obviously an intelligent guy yet you're blindly believing stuff without the an iota of tangible proof; just because they call themselves astrophysicists you blindly believe whatever ridiculous crap they tell you. Where's your self-respect - correction, where's your adult self-respect, because only children believe everything they're told without question or proof. Remember my (paraphrased) signature 'The bigger the lie, the more will believe it.'

 

My small mind to your closed mind? Okay I'll go with that.

 

I tend to follow the most logical and rational route to my own conclusions. I note the way our star moves in relation to our planet during the day, then how it disappears every night. I note the shape of our moon and how it is much the same as Venus or Jupiter in my telescope. I then review photographs and look out the window of the Jet I take to my vacation spot. These along with common sense and video documentation convince me I live on a sphere.
I note many images of stellar activity throughout our galaxy and the many images of others. I look for myself through light enhancement technology (my telescope) and see the different colors of stars. I do not see why but the concepts of size and age make more sense to me that a moon made of cheese. I watch in real time as influenza changes year to year and treatments are adapted to confront it, I have held a snake that has little leg nubs and seen the leg bones hidden under whale flesh. Thus an evolving species makes more sense to me than magic.
In essence, you try to make fun of my intellectual understanding of our natural reality while expounding your own version that ignores all the things that allow me to accept it.

 

Conspiracy theorists say the darndest things.

 

Or there is something else. Perhaps the stars get "refueled" or perhaps these stars in this part of the universe have a different burn rate. Maybe the scientists have a typo, etc.

 

Thus, when the scientists figure out which way it is, they will fix the equations to include whatever it is that is causing the discrepancy.

 

The Greatest Cosmic Puzzle: Astronomers Find Stars That Appear Older Than The Universe
※→ Tony Dassow, et al,

I could try to explain this, BUT --- let's let someone who actually teaches this. Tamara Davis (University of Queensland)

Physical Edge of the Universe. You might have to watch this a couple of times. I'm slow, and I had to watch this a half-dozen times.

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But you must also remember, at the BIG BANG not everything was discharged at the same time from the point of origin. In fact, we really don't know if the point of origin, when something came from nothing, if the origin is (or is not) still discharging space-time and more material.

There were (presumably) material that was discharged that culminated into galaxies that came before us.

But there are limits to what we can see and detect. And there are limits.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Personally, I hope it's not a typo and that this is a 'Lord Kelvin' moment that will lead to a new discovery. Exciting if it isn't just a typo.

 

Or maybe....Klotistian ephemerality tachion emissions change the phase of neutrino spin within the scrotal membrane that surrounds this universal manifestation, resulting in transcendental disruption of homogenous matter stability which influences the thermal representation of compounded dynamics. Delvian Borgat elemental physics dictate stability fluctuation inherent in dimentional reality within all 6th generation universes every 26,000 cycles anyway.

 

Just because scientists doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, does not make them charlatans, quite the opposite.

 

Yes, I've got a telescope too, and a very powerful one, but I've never seen 'Cassini' through it, or so-called 'Mars Landers', or black holes, or star dust ('star dust' ) therefore until I do (have some kind of tangible evidence?) my disbelief remains intact. As I think I've already said - I don't dispute that there's a universe, only that the concept has become an industry to be lucratively exploited by self-seeking and self-serving opportunists: and as if that isn't enough to ponder, inexplicably so many otherwise intelligent persons hang upon their every word no matter how ridiculous it is.

 

And this one - yours truly - is saying stuff you don't want to hear? But at least we're all discussing it good-naturedly.

 

Charlatans are opportunistic confidence tricksters, and they're to be found in all walks of life. I assure you that I have the greatest respect for the kind of scientists who enhance the lives and the lot of we mere mortals.

Or is is 'us' mere mortals? Not sure!

 

And, you are of course free to believe as you do as it has no bearing whatsoever on the realities others live in. That you expect real time and personal experience to accept anything as truth does however severely limit your life experiences to the point of being a boy in a bubble. This has clearly led to distrust of reality based outside observations and the development of a conspiracy theory mindset backed by paranoia. As you will NEVER have the opportunity to personally experience the things outside your bubble, you are self imposing perpetual ignorance of most of the universe and vast knowledge in favor of a safe and warm existence of ignorant bliss...have fun with that.

 

Anyone that lived more than a few decades has been around long enough to live through the many different estimates of the age of the planet or the universe. I fully expect that someday they will announce that the current age estimate is wrong and come up with another one. Remember we are only beginning to peak at the vastness of the universe and much of what we think we know today will be obsolete tomorrow.

 

And now you go and spoil it by accusing me of being ignorant. That's disappointing. And it also tells me something about you: your rudeness tells me I've challenged your preconceptions and you don't like it. Well tough, I'm afraid. But hey, iIf you want to believe in the tooth fairies then that's your prerogative - have fun with it??

 

And in the grand scheme of things WTF gives a damn how old the universe is? How can knowing (or more accurately, taking some agenda-driven total strangers' guess at it) materially affect their lives? If the universe is a squillion years old or fifty thousand squillion years old, it's absolutely meaningless.

 

Expressing opinion based on documented (on this page of this thread) activity is not rude though it may be upsetting to the individual in question. If you do not want honesty and forthright discussion I will certainly avoid offering it upon request.