The hate industry, Islam and Islamophobia

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  1. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    Because are the only ones practicing slavery TODAY.
     
  2. Paul7

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    Good point, if Islam is a peaceful religion why aren't the extremists extremely peaceful?

    The Christian Reformation brought Christianity back to it's roots, the roots of Islam are just as violent as today. Jesus harmed nobody, unlike the bloody 'prophet'.
     
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    Yet Turkey has never fessed up to that genocide, imagine if Germany today did the same about the Holocaust.
     
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    Could one warn of the dangers of Hitler without living in Germany or knowing Nazis? Lots of liberals managed to criticize apartheid South Africa without living there.

    So is enabling the crimes and oppression of Islam, apparently.
     
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    isn’t that pretty much the behavior of every religion toward the other religions?
     
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    Uh, no. Jesus only sadly walked away when faced with those who rejected him, and stopped His followers from attempts to do otherwise. The opposite of the 'prophet'.
     
  7. stan1990

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    Yes, it could be
     
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    I know that some Muslims do, but these are ignorant ones. It isn't a widespread phenomena in our days.
     
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    How much of world finance and money Jews people own?
     
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    How so? Does radical Islam represent all Muslims?
     
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    What was Curt Schilings' offensive viewpoint on radical Islam?
     
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    Jesus isn’t a religion.
     
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    What do you know about the prophet? Did you ever read one of his sermons? Did you read about his belief in justice or killing Jews, Christians or pagans? Did you know that Abraham was a warlord who had no camels?

    You can find reasons to hate.
     
  15. Moshty

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    That is a lie. Why would you even say that? It's not a matter of opinion, but of objective facts. Where's your self-respect?
     
  16. Paul7

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    You either don't know what you're talking about or are deliberately lying. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_21st-century_Islamism

    From Wikipedia:

    "The "current wave" of slavery in Sudan reportedly began in 1983 with the Second Sudanese Civil War between the North and South. It involved large numbers of "African" Sudanese, "primarily the Dinka, Nuer and Nuba of central Sudan," being captured and sold "(or exploited in other ways)" by Northern Sudanese "Arabs".[11][12] The problem of slavery reportedly became worse after the National Islamic Front-backed military government took power in 1989, the Khartoum government declared jihad against non-Muslim opposition in the south.[13] The Baggara were also given freedom "to kill these groups, loot their wealth, capture slaves, expel the rest from the territories, and forcefully settle their lands."[14]

    The Sudan Criminal Code of 1991 did not list slavery as a crime, but the state of Sudan has ratified the Slavery Convention, the Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade, and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery, and is a party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).[1] Nonetheless, according to the imam of the Ansar movement and former prime minister, Sadiq al-Mahdi, jihad

    requires initiating hostilities for religious purposes ... It is true that the [NIF] regime has not enacted a law to realize slavery in Sudan. But the traditional concept of jihad does allow slavery as a by-product [of jihad].[15]

    Human Rights Watch[16] and Amnesty International[17] first reported on slavery in Sudan in 1995 in the context of the Second Sudanese Civil War. In 1996, two more reports emerged, one by a United Nations representative and another by reporters from the Baltimore Sun, just one of many "extensive accounts of slave raiding" in Sudan provided by Western media outlets since 1995.[Note 1]

    Human Rights Watch and others have described the contemporary form of slavery in Sudan as mainly the work of the armed, government-backed militia of the Baggara tribes who raid civilians—primarily of the Dinka ethnic group from the southern region of Bahr El Ghazal. The Baggara captured children and women who were taken to western Sudan and elsewhere. They were "forced to work for free in homes and in fields, punished when they refuse, and abused physically and sometimes sexually". The government of Sudan "arm[ed] and sanction[ed] the practice of slavery by this tribal militia", known as muraheleen, as a low cost way of weakening its enemy in the Second Sudanese Civil War, the rebel Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army (SPLM/A), which was thought to have a base of support among the Dinka tribe of southern Sudan.[1]

    According to a 2002 report issued by the International Eminent Persons Group, (acting with the encouragement of the US State Department) both the government-backed militias and the rebels (led by the SPLA) have been found guilty of abducting civilians, but "of particular concern" were incidents that occurred "in conjunction with attacks by pro-government militias known as murahaleen on villages in SPLA-controlled areas near the boundary between northern and southern Sudan." The Group concluded that "in a significant number of cases", abduction is the first stage in "a pattern of abuse that falls under the definition of slavery in the International Slavery Convention of 1926 and the Supplementary Convention of 1956."[2]

    Estimates of abductions during the war range from 14,000 to 200,000.[19] One estimate (by Jok Madut Jok) is of 10-15,000 slaves in Sudan "at any one time", the number remaining roughly constant as individual slaves come and go—as captives escape, have their freedom bought or are released as unfit for labor, more are captured.[20] Until 1999, the number of slaves kept by slave taker retains after the distribution of the human war booty was usually "three to six and rarely exceeded ten per slave raider". Although modern slave trading never approached the scale of nineteenth-century Nilotic slavery, some Baggara "operated as brokers to convert the war captives into slaves", selling slaves "at scattered points throughout Western Sudan", and "as far north as Kharoum". Illegal and highly unpopular internationally, the trade is done "discreetly", and kept to a "minimal level" so that "evidence for it is very difficult to obtain." "Slave owners simply deny that Southern children working for them are slaves." [21]

    According to a January 25, 1999, report in CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece.[22]

    Writing for The Wall Street Journal on December 12, 2001, Michael Rubin said:[23]

    What's Sudanese slavery like? One 11-year-old Christian boy told me about his first days in captivity: "I was told to be a Muslim several times, and I refused, which is why they cut off my finger." Twelve-year-old Alokor Ngor Deng was taken as a slave in 1993. She has not seen her mother since the slave raiders sold the two to different masters. Thirteen-year-old Akon was seized by Sudanese military while in her village five years ago. She was gang-raped by six government soldiers, and witnessed seven executions before being sold to a Sudanese Arab.

    Many freed slaves bore signs of beatings, burnings and other tortures. More than three-quarters of formerly enslaved women and girls reported rapes.

    While nongovernmental organizations argue over how to end slavery, few deny the existence of the practice. ...[E]stimates of the number of blacks now enslaved in Sudan vary from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands (not counting those sold as forced labour in Libya)...

    The Sudanese government has never admitted to the existence of "slavery" within their borders,[24][25] but in 1999, under international pressure, it established the Committee to Eradicate the Abduction of Women and Children (CEAWC). 4,000 "abducted" southerners were returned to South Sudan through this program before it was shut down in 2010.[26]

    End of trade
    According to the Rift Valley Institute, slave-raiding, "abduction … effectively ceased" in 2002. "A significant number" of slaves were repatriated after 2005 the Comprehensive Peace Agreement of 2005, but "an unknown number" remain in captivity.[4] The Institute created a "Sudan Abductee Database" containing "the names of over 11,000 people who were abducted in 20 years of slave-raiding" in Northern Bahr el-Ghazal state in southern Sudan, from 1983 to 2002.[4][5] The January 2005 "North/South Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA)" peace treaty that ended the Sudanese civil war[27] put an end to the slave raids, according to Christian Solidarity International, but did not provide a "way home for those already enslaved."[28] The last Human Rights Watch "Backgrounder on Slavery in Sudan" was updated March 2002.[1]

    Christian Solidarity International slave redemption efforts[edit]
    Efforts to "redeem" or to buy the freedom of slaves in Sudan are controversial.[1] Beginning in 1995, Christian Solidarity International began "redeeming" slaves through an underground network of traders set up through local peace agreements between Arab and southern chiefs. The group claims to have freed over 80,000 people in this manner since that time.[29] Several other charities eventually followed suit.

    In 1999 UNICEF called the practice of redeeming slaves 'intolerable', arguing that these charities are implicitly accepting that human beings can be bought and sold.[30]

    UNICEF also said that buying slaves from slave-traders gives them cash to purchase arms and ammunition. But Christian Solidarity said they purchase slaves in Sudanese pounds, not US dollars that could be used to purchase arms.[30]

    As of 2015, Christian Solidarity International states that it continues redeeming slaves. On its website,[29] the group states that it employs safeguards against fraud, and that allegations of fraud "remain today unsubstantiated".
     
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  17. Paul7

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    I know he was a bloody, murderous, pedophile barbarian who made the cover of Military History Quarterly for a reason. See https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/0...iolence-ayaan-hirsi-ali-debate-islamic-state/

    Is it 'hate' for you to say that?

    Stating facts isn't hate, it is just name calling from the usual suspect who does it in an attempt to shut down debate.
     
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    no that aint quite right.
    one form of slavery is when a person is forced to pay off the debt of the parent, national debt. Another is bond slavery, both alive and thriving in the imaginary land of the free
     
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    I do believe that the concept of radical Islam is misleading. Radical Muslims, not radical Islam should be compared to Nazism.
     
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    And that means that Curt Schilling contributed to the "hate industry" by comparing radical Islam to Nazism?
     
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    I did provide my answer for you, but you are looking to argue by repeating yourself.
     
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    No, you said that you "believe that the concept of radical Islam is misleading" and "radical Muslims, not radical Islam should be compared to Nazism." You did not say whether you think that means that Curt Schilling contributed to the "hate industry" by comparing radical Islam to Nazism.
     
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    What a crock!
     
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    Like the Bible, we don't have to follow Abraham sacrificing his Son Isaac, meaning we will only have to extract the pedagogy but not the actual act, I think Jihad and the likes are just misinterpretations of Quran that suppose to bring forth peace all throughout the believers. Islamophobia should be non existent. In my own point of view we need Industrialization to make our basic resources usable for the entire human race, I think it`s a good thing but bad if exploited and abused.
     
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    :above: :nod: :above:
     
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