The Hegemonic Masculinity Magnet

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why does Trumplicanism attract the QAnon crazies and activate the facist racists white nationalist scum?

    Many people around the world are extremely fascinated this "fatal attraction" and many a talking head has opined about various group identities, intractable single issue support, underpinned by grievance (of varying type), and of course, the nebulous but ever so effective FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt).

    But here is a scientific report compiling and analyzing 7 different studies covering 2,000 subjects that directly correlates acceptance a well know gender/sociological concept "Hegemonic masculinity" in predicting voting and candidate selection.

    here's a top line definition
    When I began learning about this I had one of those "d'oh, slap my forehead" moments.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/2/e2020589118
     
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    I dunno why did Trump living office suddenly afflict nearly the entire Washington Establishment with PTTSD?
     
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    Has nothing to do with Trump leaving office. It's a study of voting patterns based on people's views of masculinity. Studies are nice and provide scientific analysis, but it's no secret Trump appealed to macho attitudes among hispanics.
     
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    I don't know why the left is obsessed with the terms fascist, racist and white nationalist. Anyone who jumps on the recently popular term of white nationalist should have problems with blm. And any liberal who tosses around the term fascist should look up the definition and then look in the mirror.

    Regarding the part of the post where it complains about how men dominate women, then again, the left should look in the mirror.

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    [/QUOTE]

    I totally agree about obsession with the terms fascist, racist and white nationalist. And you will be happy to know that I am rather familiar with these various bigoted ideologies and the scum who espouse them. I am also intimately familiar with ALL their rhetorical tricks and style.

    For instance when you offer up first an ad hom and then a "no true scotsman" , that is a rather favored response structure of theirs.

    As for your nonsensical anecdote, well I regret to inform you that anecdotal justification is a foundational tactic.

    Now one can argue that this is just subconscious mimicry of the information they consume within their distribution bubble, as opposed to an actual rhetorical strategy, and to a large extent they may be right.

    OTOH I know for damn sure I'm right about a significant number of them, since there are actual published guidelines in how to respond on their favorite websites. FAscist/ nazi/supremacist/extreme nationalist "talking points" if you will, with both specific response AND general tactics.

    Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Pro Life Tip: You should aim before you shoot.
     
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    What he appealed to is middle class entrepreneurs regardless of race creed or color. But that isn't what I was referencing.
     
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    Maybe, but the OP is about masculinity, not business ownership.
     
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    Which is why the Op was simply the usual self serving claptrap full of confirmation bias I've come to expect from university Sociology programs
     
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    Not really surprising. The right has a serious problem with sexism that they don’t want to confront or deal with.
     
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    I dunno about all that. Seems reasonable to me. Trump attracts more traditional leaning people, with 1950s era gender roles being one of those traditions.
     
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    LOL! That is great stuff you quoted. I love it.
     
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    Yup, back when women were happier than men. It really was the good old days.
     
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    That is a huge data set. Truly impressive numbers for only 7 studies. :)
     
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    Yup. The left is against masculinity, you know, pajama boy and all that.
     
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    why do most white racists and men vote for republicans? hmm... let me guess. Because over 90% of blacks vote democrat? Racists will vote for a party that have support from >90% blacks?

    why do men vote republican, because all the metoo feminists are liberals.

    nothing to do with Trump. Romney got the same voters, so did Mccain.. they too racist white nationalists? Bush too?

    all thugs, criminals, drug dealers in the inner cities, who do they vote for? DEMOCRAT. Biden is no more thug, criminal than Trump is racist. This is straight from democrat playbook, take a small sample of Trump voters, generalize, attribute it to Trump. In the process, ignore all facts and evidence that suggests it has nothing to do with Trump.. past elections show it. Funny enough, Mr. Trump got more blacks and latinos in 2020 than any other republican in history. Also, the same generalization not done for democrats, who themselves have a small portion of filth who support them (most of the thug criminals , black racists, anti-Americans, and communists marxists )...

    it's really gets boring and lacks any level of intellect. This is for dumb masses, how the democrats keep trying to gain the minority and women vote, by just spewing lies about how racist and sexist republicans are. They just cannot debate policy!
     
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    This makes complete sense. Having grown up in S Florida, this faux level of masculinity was rampant when I was a kid and admittedly it influenced me too. Big trucks, fast cars, lots of guns and loud music, and plenty of alcohol -- that's the main ingredients every Rump voter seems to share some degree of DNA with.
     
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    seems like a fun place....
     
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    Go look at a wolf pack, pride of lions or gorilla troop. In all social mammals, there is a hierarchy that always ends up with a male. No amount of philosophizing is gong to change evolutionary biology. What you call sexism, we call reality. In no world will the average woman be as powerful or as aggressive as the average male. In no world will the average woman be attracted to a man that is weaker or less aggressive than her. Most of the people writing this SJW trash are very weak and ineffectual men or man hating lesbians.

    When you see the actual pictures of the people writing about "toxic masculinity", you know that they can be completely discounted. These are just jealous males with no hope of passing on their genes.
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    The middle class entrepreneur is a small voting block. do you have any data on this demographic? Or are you simply trying to suggest a single variable as equal to the whole equation?
     
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    Of course! It's the kind of place that men with micros can actually feel BIGLY.
     
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    Which has nothing to do with hyper masculinity or whatever. Note half the new Republicans in the house and senate are female.
     
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    I know what you mean. Lacking intellect on any level. Just shovelling ideological grievance and bullshit upon the dumb masses. Its a sorry state and its all out of the democrat playbook. Boy if those enemies of American Paradise could only be removed, you bet America would be great again.

    I find it a interesting parallel, "thugs/criminals/druggies/ inner city" (read blacks) vote Democrat, assumes a vast number of these people vote in the first place, a situation that isn't backed up by voter registration numbers not to mention the states with total or partial felony disenfranchisement. But I agree that both racial and racist perceptions do play a role in party affiliation or candidate selection.

    And I agree that there are a myriad of personal motivations for choosing a party or leader. But when its all said and done the majority of voters vote on the ideological grounds (real or imagined) associated with the party or candidate. they seek alignment with their representation.
     
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    There are 18 million businesses in their country the over whelming majority Are four or fewer employees this probably misses at least 50% of the smaller out fits. Guys mowing lawns on the side after work, that sort of thing usually called the grey market.
     
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    Nah, although I can see how a MAGA supporter might think that. I mean he had zero responsibility in anything that happened on Jan 6th, or so you all seem to believe.

    OTOH there are way way way more people wonder just WTF they had just witnessed, who is responsible, and why did it come to it.

    In an effort to explain it, those nasty idiot leftist elites are pulling out all the stops in an attempt to understand why so many people believed such enormous lies to the point of crapping on the very constitution they profess to love and be willing to defend onto death. Its a real poser.

    Course why the racist fascist white nationalists and qanon nutbars desecrated the capitol, but why the middle of the roader MAGAs participated is the question many are attempting to resolve.
     
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    Spoken like a true man. My mother and her friends would seriously disagree with you. that was "their" generation and it wasn't until 1964 in Canada and 1971 in the states that women could open bank accounts without their husbands permission.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...omen-couldnt-do-1971-mostly-right/3677101001/

    yep the good ol' days when men had women by the financial short and curlies and under their thumb.
    When a domestic violence call , was "well officer you know how it is when she's at that time, had to give her a swat or two" and "let that be a lesson to you" from the cop. Marital rape anyone? Good good good ol' days, or is that Great Great Great ol' days?
     
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