The Hidden Tribes of America and the Need for Compromise

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Please select your Tribe and whether you are willing to Compromise or not willing to Compromise

  1. I am a Progressive Activist Willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  2. I am a Progressive Activist Not willing to Compromise

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. I am a Traditional Liberal willing to Compromise

    8.3%
  4. I am a Traditional Liberal Not willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  5. I am a Passive Liberal willing to Compromise

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. I am a Passive Liberal Not willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  7. I am Politically Disengaged willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  8. I am Politically Disengaged Not willing to Compromise

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. I am a Moderate willing to Compromise

    25.0%
  10. I am a Moderate Not willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  11. I am a Traditional Conservative willing to Compromise

    25.0%
  12. I am a Traditional Conservative Not willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  13. I am a Devoted Conservative willing to Compromise

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. I am a Devoted Conservative Not willing to Compromise

    4.2%
  15. I am None of the above

    12.5%
  1. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Priceless! You are nothing, if not predictable. Illegal hordes are not booking group charters on Southwest Airlines to thwart CBP. Bus charters to Tijuana is all Beto O'Roarke was willing to spring for. :roflol:
     
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    You ignored my point, to promote a narrative:

    'Conservatives are hateful, and won't compromise!'

    But core issues and differences cannot all be resolved with 'compromise!' America has been compromising with the socialist left for about half a century, and it has only hastened the destruction of America from a beacon of freedom and self rule, to a socialist utopia.

    Compromising more, as we continue to do, will only complete the destruction.

    I am glad to have seen her in a more intended state, not the nanny state she has become.

    The narratives and slow corruption of the American Experiment by Progressivism has been very sucessful, due, in large part, to the willingness of Americans to 'compromise!' their ideals.

    Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue. ~Barry Goldwater
     
  3. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your position was made abundantly clear in your original post and accepted.

    The abysmal track of record of divisiveness and lack of compromise has done a great deal of harm to our nation and hardworking Americans.

    There is no requirement for anyone to have to compromise and the OP makes ample allowance for the extremist segments of society.

    This OP is focused on those who ARE WILLING to compromise for the benefit of We the People and America as a whole.

    Have a nice day!
     
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  4. Adfundum

    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    I think Franklin pointed out a few very important ideas that apply to today:

    "In September 1787, the Constitution was completed, but many delegates were disgruntled. Franklin wrote an impassioned speech, in which he used his persuasive powers to urge all delegates to sign the Constitution. Franklin admitted that it was an imperfect document but probably the best they could expect. Following the speech, the Constitution was signed. To Franklin's disappointment, some delegates still refused to sign." https://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/l3_citizen_founding.html

    "Mr. President:
    I confess that I do not entirely approve of this Constitution at present, but Sir, I am not sure I shall never approve it: For having lived long, I have experienced many Instances of being oblig'd, by better Information or fuller Consideration, to change Opinions even on important Subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow the more apt I am to doubt my own Judgment, and to pay more Respect to the Judgment of others. Most Men indeed as well as most Sects in Religion, think themselves in Possession of all Truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far Error. Steele, a Protestant in a Dedication tells the Pope, that the only Difference between our two Churches in their Opinions of the Certainty of their Doctrine, is, the Romish Church is infallible, and the Church of England is never in the Wrong. But tho' many private Persons think almost as highly of their own Infallibility, as of that of their Sect, few express it so naturally as a certain French Lady, who in a little Dispute with her Sister, said, I don't know how it happens, Sister, but I meet with no body but myself that's always in the right. Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison.

    In these Sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its Faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a Course of Years, and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

    I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution: For when you assemble a Number of Men to have the Advantage of their joint Wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those Men all their Prejudices, their Passions, their Errors of Opinion, their local Interests, and their selfish Views. From such an Assembly can a perfect Production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this System approaching so near to Perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our Enemies, who are waiting with Confidence to hear that our Councils are confounded, like those of the Builders of Babel, and that our States are on the Point of Separation, only to meet hereafter for the Purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure that it is not the best.

    The Opinions I have had of its Errors, I sacrifice to the Public Good. I have never whispered a Syllable of them abroad. Within these Walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the Objections he has had to it, and use his Influence to gain Partisan in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary Effects and great Advantages resulting naturally in our favour among foreign Nations, as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent Unanimity. Much of the Strength and Efficiency of any Government, in procuring and securing Happiness to the People depends on Opinion, on the general Opinion of the Goodness of that Government as well as of the Wisdom and Integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own Sakes, as a Part of the People, and for the sake of our Posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution, wherever our Influence may extend, and turn our future Thoughts and Endeavours to the Means of having it well administered.

    On the whole, Sir, I cannot help expressing a Wish, that every Member of the Convention, who may still have Objections to it, would with me on this Occasion doubt a little of his own Infallibility, and to make manifest our Unanimity, put his Name to this instrument."

    Ben Franklin​
     
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    Farmers are not our enemy

    Without farmers libs in the cities would starve

    The cirst thing we ought to do is kick lazy welfare bums off the dole so they are more willing to do those dirty jobs

    Then concentrate on E-Vefify with a bounty for information leading to the ARREST of an illegal worker

    And make the company that KNOWINGLY hired them pay the bounty to the informant who turned them in

    There us much more that needs to be discussed but thats a good starting point
     
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    Thats the defination of a loophole

    Something written into the law that some people can take advantage of

    The exemption central Americans who claim to be refugees must be closed
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you're trying to convince me that any part of our political establishment isn't using them as a political football, you can save it for someone else.
     
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    No one believes you. You are not the least bit interested in getting to the root of the problem.
     
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    I don't believe so, in the sense that most think. It's more about caring for the poor instead of believing they asked for it. Things like that.
     
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    The root of the problem is a wide open border that is a lure to illiterate poor people to our south
     
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    My mistake, you don't even know the root of the problem.
     
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    I do

    You dont
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :applause:

    Great link. Thank you for posting it. :)
     
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    A liberal applauding an evil white Founding Father of The Inited States of America that included slavery?

    Do you want to be thrown out of the Hate-America crowd and shunned for the rest of your days?
     

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